Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Academi have plenty of sf and snipers on their books.

He's right for a change. If these reports turn out to be true then it's a massive own-goal by Kiev and presumably their US advisors. Previous reports of Academi involvement have turned out to be BS though, and the German media reporting this is the Bild - the German equivalent of The Sun, so I take this reports with a pinch of salt. Won't stop the Kremlin bots spreading this before its confirmed though.
 
Pssh they are all bodyguards or trainers - anything else is massively illegal and I don't believe for a second the us would allow anything else

If they are there then Ukraine govt is as stupid as Putin thinks they are
 
He's right for a change. If these reports turn out to be true then it's a massive own-goal by Kiev and presumably their US advisors. Previous reports of Academi involvement have turned out to be BS though, and the German media reporting this is the Bild - the German equivalent of The Sun, so I take this reports with a pinch of salt. Won't stop the Kremlin bots spreading this before its confirmed though.

Yeah, it will take farmers to take them hostage to confirm it.... Like it happened in Libya with SAS....

We were also shouted at that there were no boots on ground.
 
Pssh they are all bodyguards or trainers - anything else is massively illegal and I don't believe for a second the us would allow anything else

If they are there then Ukraine govt is as stupid as Putin thinks they are

I think your mis-understanding what hes saying - they have many ex-military on their books including people who come from backgrounds where they are highly trained SF, etc.

They tend to be a bit more than glorified security guards, they have extensive and ongoing training in hostage extraction, evasion techniques, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BbhZ5ziXdw

EDIT: I doubt academi have anyone on the ground in an operational capacity (outside of possibly isolated private business protection) as they tend to be more of a professional organisation these days and more under the microscope.
 
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I think your mis-understanding what hes saying - they have many ex-military on their books including people who come from backgrounds where they are highly trained SF, etc.

They tend to be a bit more than glorified security guards, they have extensive and ongoing training in hostage extraction, evasion techniques, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BbhZ5ziXdw

Tin-Foil hat.
 
I usually follow the news closely but I have no idea what's going on. There's too many factions.. maiden, right sector, ukraine army (who runs it now?), russian army, apparently a bunch of different random camo and addidas wearing pro-ukraine (EU?) and pro-russia paramilitaries, and now academi. And some cossack paramilitary (pro russia?).
 
Indeed, considering the hostile takeovers that have occurred of armed men because they didn't open fire, I'm not surprised they are now shooting.

Did you watch the video of the shooting?

It shows the hostile takeover of a building by armed men sent by Kiev, while the unarmed crowd inform them they are not wanted in those parts and demand they leave. The only reason a couple of people were pumped full of bullets is because they didn't "obey" the men with the guns.

More blood spilled. More martyrs. And yet you indicate that you believe Kiev is doing the right thing by attempting to force the East into their fold, at the barrel of a gun. Which will only cost more lives and further stoke the hatred for the fascist actions of the junta in Kiev.

I recall protesters in Kiev taking over government buildings there...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-take-over-government-buildings-30032989.html
 
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Did you watch the video of the shooting?

It shows the hostile takeover of a building by armed men sent by Kiev, l[/url]


But if they were sent by Russia thats A-OK? :rolleyes:

Shocking that apparently the errrr 'polls' now show 89% are in favour of independence. What with the Pew poll showing 70% wanted a united ukraine only weeks ago. Im sure the pre-filled ballots, the ability to register at the polling station and to vote at multiple stations helped... somewhat.
 
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Shocking that apparently the errrr 'polls' now show 89% are in favour of independence. What with the Pew poll showing 70% wanted a united ukraine only weeks ago.

The reason is because they weren't voting for independence, they were voting for greater regional autonomy. Contrary to the western portrayal the "separatists" don't want to break up Ukraine, they want it to be united, just with close ties to Russia not the EU, and greater regional autonomy like they had under the USSR.
 
The reason is because they weren't voting for independence, they were voting for greater regional autonomy. Contrary to the western portrayal the "separatists" don't want to break up Ukraine, they want it to be united, just with close ties to Russia not the EU, and greater regional autonomy like they had under the USSR.

The always humorous RT, mouthpiece of the russian government, interpreting things differently -

Over 95 percent of voters in the Crimean referendum have answered ‘yes’ to the autonomous republic joining Russia and less than 4 percent of the vote participants want the region to remain part of Ukraine, according to preliminary results.

The actual question asked was "Do you support the Act of Independence of the People's Republic of Donetsk/Luhansk?" in the few regions it went ahead so pretty apparent how Russia sees it, but just in case were in any doubt lets refer to the 'head of the People's Republic of Donetsk Central Election Committee' -

Litvinov said Sunday that if voters agree to secede from Ukraine, the next logical step is another referendum in the next several months on joining Russia.

My guess is that 'vote' might just reach a 97% approval rating as well! Amazingly unified opinion on that. Truly amazing.
 
My guess is that 'vote' might just reach a 97% approval rating as well! Amazingly unified opinion on that. Truly amazing.

The Soviet Union is dead but its spirit endures. The Soviet leadership has traditionally had very little trust in the people and their ability to make decisions (and who can blame them, just look at the support Putin enjoys). The people prefer the status quo, they aren't interested in educating themselves, making an effort regarding who's who and what they are promising nor do they want to feel responsible when their decisions lead to bad consequences so they let the leadership organise 'elections' with predictable results. If the Chinese people trade their freedom for the promise of prosperity, the Russian people trade it for the promise of stability.

To understand where the Russian minority in Ukraine stands, you must understand where Russians stand - they (the majority of them) do not want democracy, freedom and progress.

There is a conflict in Ukraine right now but it's not about special interests, geopolitics, CIA vs FSB or other crackpot conspiracy theories; it's about two opposite ideologies. As hard as it may be to believe it, some people simply do not want to be free - freedom has its costs and they are not willing to pay it.
 
No I would agree with that, I think the people of Iraq would much rather have had security than the type of freedom the deposing of Saddam brought.

I actually think the majority in the east would rather have peace and whatever seperation voted for through the ballot box rather than the military takeover and sham referendum being conducted now. I think Russia though is in a hurry though to make the point that it can influence the countries on its borders at will and draw a line over what it will tolerate. The west is responding with economic sanctions and it is really a case of who blinks first, if anyone does blink.
 
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