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Compared to what you've accused me of in the past, it's pretty light. You're obviously bi-lingual, one of your languages is Russian, you're a bit homophobic, have an interest in events in Russia, and always seem to be a proponent of the Kremlin's foreign policy. I don't recall reading any posts of yours that would suggest a 'pro-EU' viewpoint, unless being anti-American counts the same as pro-EU.

Remind me of what I accused you, cause I feel like this is first time I see you.. :p

Since when I was homophobic? I hold the view that Russian homophobia situation is total fad made by Putin to move away general populations opinion from internal issues.

I am pretty sure I have expressed this view here somewhere...

By no means I am homophobic, I just dont care, had a good laugh at few marches here in Chicago... very interesting indeed, not at one point I had "hate gays" feeling.

By no means I am Anti-American, I live here... :D:D by choice. I just do not agree with US foreign policy along-side millions of Americans.

At the same time I admire their ability to bend the whole world over to follow their rules... I dont think its right, doesnt stop me from admiring their ability to do so.
 
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The way I see it,

I am personally not a good person, I have caused a lot of grief and pain to others in order to get what I want...

Just as USA and the whole Western world essentially, our success is built on bones and misery of countless others.

Difference is that, I admit that I am a bad person and I understand the consequences of my selfish-actions for others.

The Western World seem to think that we are the "Angels" of the planet, and that we are doing everyone a big favor by existing... Moreover, anyone who even considers being as "Angellic" as us, gets punished immediately for being the "bad guys".

I am sorry to break it to you, but you dont get where we are currently, by being "right" or "good".

For you to buy a shirt from Primark for £2 someone has to work 24 hours to earn a pound making that shirt... Then, if someone else tries to do the same, you prevent them by force, shame them across the world, all while continuing doing what you were doing before. Moreover, you give yourself a pat on the back for being the "world police" and stopping un-fair practices... all while whipping a child in a sweat-shop to make you more £2 shirts, truly believing that you are a walking saint.
 
Still peanuts compared to what atrocities commies commited in the name of their sick ideology. Stalin himself had millions of own people murdered. Get this into your empty skull comrade and **** off.

I know, we on other hand we much more humane, cause we never did that to our own people.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities

Elkins reveals that the British detained not 80,000 Kikuyu, as the official histories maintain, but almost the entire population of one and a half million people, in camps and fortified villages. There, thousands were beaten to death or died from malnutrition, typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery. In some camps almost all the children died.

1950`s

10 percent of the entire Boer population died in the British camps—a figure that gets even worse when you realize it includes 22,000 children.

Boear war

Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus. By 1966, an Amnesty report on these abuses had caused global outrage. Faced with international condemnation, the British apologized. They then kept right on using the torture centers for another full year.

1960`s

In the 1950s, the people of Kenya decided they wanted their nation back. Unfortunately, the people they wanted it back from just happened to be the same guys responsible for every other atrocity on this list. Fearing a countrywide rebellion, the British rounded up 1.5 million people and placed them in concentration camps. What happened in these camps will turn your stomach.Under slogans like “labor and freedom” and other variations on ” Arbeit macht frei,” inmates were worked to death as slave labor filling in mass graves. Random executions were not-uncommon and the use of torture was widespread. Men were anally raped with knives. Women had their breasts mutilated and cut off. Eyes were gouged out and ears cut off and skin lacerated with coiled barbed wire. People were castrated with pliers then sodomized by guards. Interrogation involved stuffing a detainee’s mouth with mud and stamping on his throat until he passed out or died. Survivors were sometimes burned alive. The official body count is under 2,000, but more reliable estimates place the total dead in the tens or hundreds of thousands. Most of them were civilians or children, detained on vague, trumped-up charges of aiding the rebels. And it was all for nothing. Kenya was declared independent in 1963. In using those camps, the British lost both their African outpost and their souls.

Kenya

In 1943, a deadly famine swept the Bengal region of modern East India and Bangladesh. Between one and three million people died in a tragedy that was completely preventable. At the time, the extent of suffering was put down to an incompetent British government too busy dealing with a war to look after its empire properly. But in 2010 a new book came out claiming the lack of famine relief was deliberate and that the deaths of those millions had been intentionally engineered by one man: Winston Churchill.

This is just British Empire mind you....


http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

Also we are so up for some democracy!

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill
 
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Still peanuts compared to what atrocities commies commited in the name of their sick ideology. Stalin himself had millions of own people murdered. Get this into your empty skull comrade and **** off.

Not really sure why you are bringing Great Britians history into this as a means of justification, this is afterall a Russia/Ukraine issue/topic.
 
Show me a large, powerful nation that never killed or oppressed anyone and I will show you a poor researcher. Sadly, tragically, the dark side of human nature is indelible and there will always be atrocities committed by those in power: whether that power is through control of the state or control of a firearm.

I totally agree.

The only reason I mentioned this, is because we talk about Stalin as this monster (which he is) The Empire alone, without US was no better... Yet we speak from moral high ground for some reason :confused:

You can read above for my take on the situation in the world, where Russians just fail to understand why are they getting shamed for trying to do what we have been doing for as long as we remember.

You also have to remember that due to the nature of Soviet Union, after Stalins death, he was blamed for a lot of things by the "Party" to remove this "ideal image" due to this, a lot of things were blown out of proportion.

Modern Russia also likes to exhadurate how bad things were in Soviet Union in an attempt to justify the new regime, since pro-soviet movement is still rather strong.

We on other hand, have been caught red handed essentially burning and burying reports of the atrocities commited by the Empire.
 
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Am I supposed to feel guilty about things that happened before my birth and that nor me or my family has had influence over?

You do realize we are not talking 1700`s here??

As recent as 1940-1970`s.

And no you shouldnt, and neither should the Russians, and neither should we blame them since at the time, we were no better.

Cause there has been countless amount of times the "Stalin" boo boo doll been thrown around, yet it seems atrocities commited by the Empire and USA are never mentioned as if they never existed.
 
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The Empire has done a lot of bad things, as has the US (wiping out the Indians, for example) but, unlike Russia, the West has actually learned from some of its mistakes. Issues such as land grabs or annexations are unthinkable in the West, can you honestly imagine a scenario in which Germany occupies Alsace-Lorraine and annexes that region? The past is the past, we learned from it and even if we still make mistakes, there have been major, undeniable improvements.

Can you say that for today's Russia, which takes over foreign territories and in which members of the opposition routinely get killed, sent to prison or into exile?




The whataboutism you keep repeating like a broken record has no bearing on the subject at hand. What the West did wrong in the past or it does wrong now has no bearing on the dangerous social and political regression that's happening in Russia.

The mistakes made in Iraq, in example, were subject to a free, democractic vote. no one forced the members of the Parliament to vote in the manner in which they did, where as in Russia different views often imply lower life expectancy. There's no moral equivalence between the mistakes of the West and the abhorrent current behaviour of Russia, particularly when you consider thier latest aggression is against the closest thing they have to a sibling, among other nations.

Yes yes...

What we did in Libya (recent) is miles worse than what is happening in Ukraine with Russia.

I suggest you have a read of UN reports on Libya, its a total poo show.

For some reason (backed by UN reports) Western oil companies are managing to export Oil from Libya without neither paying for taxes or fees for the wells.... I wonder how and why...

While Russia takes over foreign territories (Crimea) you can easily say that people are happy there with it. Can you say same for Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria.
 
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There's loads of them on here. They're given free reign.

do you get paid to be a KGB mouthpiece?

Yep, they get paid for praising Putin and for advocating his pathetic war in Ukraine. One of those "troll factories" is in Saint Petersburg.

http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/at-the-origins-of-russian-propaganda

Who has suggested that? Not me for sure. People like mmj_uk & TheStigGT90 are merely useful idiots, Arek is in a slightly different category.
 
) giving people in other countries (Ukraine in this thread) the chance to improve their own quality of living.

Just as with Libya and Syria then?

Much help, So success... These countries doing super well.

I hope you do realise that the only reason why ISIS even exists is because we screwed over too much.

If there was no turmoil in Libya,Syria,Iraq. ISIS would not exist. simple as.
 
I suggest we start banning anyone who disputes UK/US foreign policy under the "Pro-Hitler (Putin)" argument.

Permaban, in order to secure democracy on this forum.

There is more than enough proof that these Putin Fan-bois on these forums, get paid directly by KGB to post this un-truthful pro-putin propaganda.

Me including.
 
Russia demanding pre-payment for gas provided to Ukraine => Terrorist Tactics

Ukraine Cutting off Electricity,water to Crimea => Problem?

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Let's call it a Blackmail Tactics, because that's exactly what it is. Russia's been destabilizing Ukraine for years and finally invaded it. How exactly do you expect an already weak country to keep paying you when you deliberately keep ruining it?


So I break my way into your home and you won't do anything. Instead, you cook a nice meal for me and make sure I am warm and cosy in your bed. Yeah rrrrrrrright....

Is this a troll orrrr??
 
Poroshenko is correct. The dictators were buddies, they split Poland fairly but then Hitler turned on Stalin, Stalin won with the help of the West and his reward was a huge chunk of Europe which was set back 50 years compared to the West. It will probably be hundreds of years before the Russians have friends in Eastern Europe, for what they've done.

Well according to Ukraine PM, USSR invaded Germany and Ukraine during WW2...

So yeah....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-i--EAfBPw
 
What he actually said was that the USSR occupied Germany and Ukraine, which is correct. If your source of information is RT you may as well not bother posting, it makes you look silly.

He clearly said

"We all remember very well the Soviet Invasion of Germany and Ukraine".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lng1FFJesYU

Your point fails.
 
Its funny, but average Ukranians life quality has gone down by about x2 factor since Yanukovich, thats given that Ukraine is the most poor country per person out of all post soviet members... Given that Ukraine was essentially left as a world-power industry and military wise after the dissolution.

The new government has been as un-effective as all other previous ones, this one though has made Ukraine poorer than it ever has been, while politicians line their pockets probably more than Yanukovich, with EU money... Using the "Anti-Terrorist Operation" as an excuse for the hardship... Perfect really.
 
Petro-Dollar is same is same rubbish as believing our government has its citizens under-surveillance. I mean we do not live in communist Russia or Eastern Germany where the horrible Stazi kept the records on every citizen.

So stop it.

Regarding dead journalists, Russians killed all of them... Ukraine is Europe and hence does not do such things.
 
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