Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Yes know I will get slated for this. Yes I know I will get called stupid, a tin foil hatter, etc

I took the time to go through all of the links on this post I found. It makes very interesting reading

http://www.therealconspiracyforum.c...ut-the-usa-israel-russia-ukraine-and-3-planes

In the long list of potential evidence given in your link there are a number of cast iron facts with no speculation or hyperbole these alone mean the USA government have some serious questions to answer, let's hope yellowstone puts them out of the game before they cause any more war.
 

"We're sickened of the authorities. They're fleeing like rats from a sinking ship, but they come here and take our sons to send them to death! They made all the mess and now they need us to clean it up."

"Those who wanted all this, let them go to war! We never needed neither this nor Maidan."


This is happening all over Ukraine, anti-war movement within western Ukraine growing. A Svoboda Party (fascist) creep trying to recruit in another town got beaten up by women (mothers and grandmothers).

It's ironic how not so long ago, Obama was making a speech about the Ukrainians choosing their own way and being free. And now they're being forcefully conscripted to go teach their fellow countrymen in the east "a lesson". Instead of sitting down and talking with them.
 
Excuse my ignorance, but what are they actually fighting about?

They are basically fighting over whether to be part of the European union or not. The European Parliament started negotiations with former prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych about Ukraine joining the European Union. Yanukovych changed his mind and said Ukraine will not be joining the EU. This angered the EU and the Americans. The EU and the Americans then funded the rebels and got Yanukovych removed from office. The country is now divided. Some of the Ukrainians want to be part of the EU and some want to be part of Russia. That is why the west want Russia to look the bad guys in all of this.
 
They are basically fighting over whether to be part of the European union or not. The European Parliament started negotiations with former prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych about Ukraine joining the European Union. Yanukovych changed his mind and said Ukraine will not be joining the EU.

No, Ukraine joining the EU was not being discussed. A trade agreement between Ukraine and the EU was agreed before Yanukovych did his about-face.

This angered the EU and the Americans. The EU and the Americans then funded the rebels and got Yanukovych removed from office. The country is now divided.

Above all, this angered the Ukrainian people who had had enough of the corruption, nepotism and lack of justice that symbolises post-communism era politics. There's no evidence that the EU and the Americans funded the rebels, indeed they were very poorly equipped, like most civilian protests are. Strange that you completely omitted the shooting dead of 80+ Ukrainian protestors in Maidan square. That's an important catalyst for the current unrest as it ultimately resulted in the government losing control of the country.

Some of the Ukrainians want to be part of the EU and some want to be part of Russia. That is why the west want Russia to look the bad guys in all of this.

Polls suggest that even in the East of Ukraine, support for joining Russia is lukewarm at best. Again, Ukraine's admission to the EU is not on anyone's agenda right now.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/ukraine-army-advance-donetsk-russia-rebels

Looks like Ukrainian armed forces are making good progress against the pro-Russian rebels, who are begging Moscow to send in the troops. My main worry is that Putin may agree to their request, then what will be the response of the international community?

I'd hope all contributors to this thread would condemn Russia if it sends combat troops into Ukraine without a UN resolution, just like we all condemned the US/UK for sending combat troops into Iraq without a UN resolution.
 
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sounds like the citizens don't want the rebels anymore because they are seizing cars , food etc whatever they want.

some trucking company said they stole $820,000 worth of stuff from there warehouse
 
That's nazis for ya.

Hmm

Pretty much ALL of the Eastern block countries have the draft in one form or another, and Russia most certainly has Conscription (with very well documented, and often horrific abuses on the conscripts), and no qualms about using their armed forces against anyone they claim is a rebel.

And given the Ukraine was part of the USSR, I'm going to guess that they didn't implement a draft recently because they're nazis...
 
No, Ukraine joining the EU was not being discussed. A trade agreement between Ukraine and the EU was agreed before Yanukovych did his about-face.

Ok it was a trade agreement but it was also seen as a step towards joining the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/26/ukraine-european-union-trade-pact

Above all, this angered the Ukrainian people who had had enough of the corruption, nepotism and lack of justice that symbolises post-communism era politics. There's no evidence that the EU and the Americans funded the rebels, indeed they were very poorly equipped, like most civilian protests are. Strange that you completely omitted the shooting dead of 80+ Ukrainian protestors in Maidan square. That's an important catalyst for the current unrest as it ultimately resulted in the government losing control of the country.

No evidence to suggest the EU and the USA funded the rebels?

President Barack Obama publicly said Ukrainians have the right to determine their own future, the U.S. government pumped $5 billion into Ukraine to dismantle their democratically elected Government.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

American senator Ron Paul would disagree with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkYt-sI_5Sw&feature=player_detailpage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-eIitxGGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8guKpjF9Z-Y


Polls suggest that even in the East of Ukraine, support for joining Russia is lukewarm at best. Again, Ukraine's admission to the EU is not on anyone's agenda right now.

93% is lukewarm?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26598832

I suppose you will now take the USA stance that the elections were illegal under Ukrainian law and the voting suspect?
 
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Please do watch.

That journalist made those statements on a mostly US/Dutch funded channel. He basically says at least 1.5 million people in the Donbass need to be exterminated because they are "useless", reminiscent of the "untermensch/sub-human" Nazi philosophy regarding those they consider "less than them". He's not the only one saying such vile things, either. And on the Ukrainian mainstream media, without being challenged.

It would be wrong, as well as inaccurate, to think of all western Ukrainians as Nazis. However, there are overt Nazis within the government, and others who describe themselves as all sorts of other things, but act just like Nazis, and are making incredibly evil statements. And they are being given a pass by western governments and media.

History will tell you that western Ukraine had a lot of Nazi sympathy during WWII, and it was never quite extinguished. It's all come out to the surface now, and is in plain sight.

At what point do you feel the west needs to start getting very concerned about Kiev? When millions are killed, after the EU and US begin sending them the weapons they've decided in the past few days to supply them with?

If you knee-jerk dismiss as propaganda the only ones (Russian and alternative media) who are actually bothering to point out the hatred boiling over in western Ukraine, and how the children are being taught to chant "Death to Donbass people and Russians", etc, then there will be a dearth of awareness about a very real problem.

See, it seems they actually believe the west supports this mentality, because it's not being challenged. So they are becoming ever more brazen.

Here's a little challenge - try to find any big media organisation in a country whose government supports Kiev, who has reported on the statements of this journalist and condemned them.

At the same time, try to find any president or prime minister who has condemned the leadership in Kiev for making statements about exterminating the people of the Donbass, calling them "sub-humans" and "insects", and for declaring they intend to provoke a world war against Russia.

Remember this guy?:


Just look at Libya now.

At this rate, we'll find ourselves in WWIII sooner rather than later, despite the scoffing, and the assurances from David Cameron that "Britain will not start a world war against Russia". A very safe comment to make, as when/if it does begin, he will obviously blame Russia for starting it. But it won't be a very safe world.
 
Some more news coming in that likely won't be mentioned in western mainstream media. If the news is false, they'll latch onto it. If it's true, it'll be ignored.


10:56 04/08/2014
© AP/ Evgeniy Maloletka


ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 4 (RIA Novosti) – More than 400 Ukrainian military personnel requested refugee status from Russian border guards on Monday and Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has opened a corridor for the soldiers, a spokesman for the border control agency told RIA Novosti.

“Overnight 438 Ukrainian military personnel turned to Russian border guards with a request for refugee [status],” the head of the FSB’s border control in the southern Russian region of Rostov, Vasily Malaeyev, said.

Border control authorities have opened a humanitarian corridor and have allowed refugees into Russia. Among the 438 personnel, 164 are employees of Ukraine’s State Border Service.

Fierce battles in Ukraine’s southeastern regions have not abated since mid-April when Kiev officials announced the beginning of a special operation against local independence supporters. As a result, many Ukrainian servicemen left their military posts to cross into Russia.

On Sunday, 12 soldiers from the Ukrainian Armed Forces made it into Russia and applied for an asylum at Gukovo checkpoint in Russia’s Rostov Region, saying they had run out of food and ammunition.

Last month, another 40 Ukrainian troops abandoned their military units and asked independence supporters to allow them to come to Russia in order not to fight against their own people.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140804/191...tary-Personnel-Request-Refugee-Status-in.html


In addition, Russia has received what they claim to be around 500,000 refugees since the troubles began.
 
Hmm

Pretty much ALL of the Eastern block countries have the draft in one form or another, and Russia most certainly has Conscription (with very well documented, and often horrific abuses on the conscripts), and no qualms about using their armed forces against anyone they claim is a rebel.

And given the Ukraine was part of the USSR, I'm going to guess that they didn't implement a draft recently because they're nazis...

438 of them crossed the border into Russia this morning asking for asylum saying their leaders were illegally asking them to attack fellow countrymen and not feeding or paying them, so ill stick to saying the Ukraine is an especially nasty particularly nazi eastern country.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569

Russia holding a major military air exercise on border of Ukraine. What possible excuse is there for such behaviour? I actually fear they might launch some airstrikes against the Ukrainian army - to predict Putin all you need to do is be a pessimist.



What about when NATO and such have there's? oh sorry that's not your agenda. Grow up dude.
 
What about when NATO and such have there's? oh sorry that's not your agenda. Grow up dude.

Where's?

The point I have a problem with is Russia doing it on the border with Ukraine, not that they are doing it. The danger is that this could further inflame an already dangerous situation.
 
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