Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The point I have a problem with is Russia doing it on the border with Ukraine, not that they are doing it. The danger is that this could further inflame an already dangerous situation.


You have a problem with Russia. Haven't heard you cry about Libya going to **** now and how the UK has to rescue people.
 
Wow, I'm surprised by the numbers of supporters in this thread of Russia's actions in this conflict. Apparently invading a neighboring country without reason is just fine.
 
Wow, I'm surprised by the numbers of supporters in this thread of Russia's actions in this conflict. Apparently invading a neighboring country without reason is just fine.
works for israel

we should do the same to scotland when they vote to leave
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569

Russia holding a major military air exercise on border of Ukraine. What possible excuse is there for such behaviour? I actually fear they might launch some airstrikes against the Ukrainian army - to predict Putin all you need to do is be a pessimist.

The funny thing is that the USA do this every year along North Korea's boarder on an even larger scale, yet I bet they will be condemning Russia for increasing tensions or something lol.
 
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Wow, I'm surprised by the numbers of supporters in this thread of Russia's actions in this conflict. Apparently invading a neighboring country without reason is just fine.

How many people died in Crimea during Russia's annexation welcomed by the people thereof?

How many people, including women and children, have been killed or displaced as refugees, during Kiev's unwelcome offensive in the east, while the media screams "Putin evil, Russia bad!"?

Give you a Nuland cookie if you get it right.
 
Ah ha!!!! Putin supporter tries to give junt..er Ukranian govt supporter diabetes!!!!!! Caught in the act!!!!!!!

:D

Not Putin supporter, though. Just support fairness and self-determination, especially when "the supremacy of territorial integrity" (when it suits the likes of Obama/Cameron and not when it doesn't) requires the taking of lives, as is happening.

Patience and willingness to talk (with the people of the east) may have gone a long way in ensuring both self-determination and territorial integrity for both parties. But one side has treated the other as "beneath them", and continues to do so. They have chosen to show their evil colours, instead of their good ones, and now it will be hard to put that back in the box, even if they achieve military victory.
 
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@Danny75. Ditto I don't particularly support Putin he appears to be quite right wing and not much into shareing the wealth but in this instance he is clearly the voice of reason and something very fishy is going on from UK/USA who appear for some reason to be pushing Russia harder than they've pushed since 1990 when we were arming their muslim minorities and buying up everything we could have Russia for pennies to the pound and talking of recognising tsarist bonds and land ownership.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569

Russia holding a major military air exercise on border of Ukraine. What possible excuse is there for such behaviour? I actually fear they might launch some airstrikes against the Ukrainian army - to predict Putin all you need to do is be a pessimist.

Yes, you would never see NATO holding exercises near Russian borders in this current crisis. OH wait.....
 
Yes, you would never see NATO holding exercises near Russian borders in this current crisis. OH wait.....

The point is that's a response to Russia's actions. In case you've all forgotten, the invasion of Crimea was immediately preceded by Russian military war games on the border. Just LOL at whoever it was who claimed it was all perfectly normal to hold military exercises on your neighbours doorstep - you lot are spectacularly and wilfully naive when it comes to Putin and Russia.
 
The point is that's a response to Russia's actions. In case you've all forgotten, the invasion of Crimea was immediately preceded by Russian military war games on the border. Just LOL at whoever it was who claimed it was all perfectly normal to hold military exercises on your neighbours doorstep - you lot are spectacularly and wilfully naive when it comes to Putin and Russia.

It is normal though, you're just complaining because a country you don't like is doing it.
 
It is normal though, you're just complaining because a country you don't like is doing it.

It isn't normal, it's either a way in which to put pressure on your neighbour in an unfriendly manner or a pretext to an actual invasion.
 
The US and other countries continually put pressure on others in an unfriendly manner though, is it worse because Russia did it?
 
The US and other countries continually put pressure on others in an unfriendly manner though, is it worse because Russia did it?

Depends. The invasion of Iraq was certainly as bad as the invasion of Crimea imo.

Here's a quick list of what Russia has been up to in the last 15 years:

– the prosecution of an horrific war in Chechnya killing tens of thousands;
– the dismemberment of an independent oil company - Yukos - and theft of its assets;
– the expulsion of British Council offices from Russian cities;
– overt support for Yanukovych in the obviously rigged 2004 Ukrainian election;
– reneging on international treaties (Energy Charter, INF, Helsinki Accords, Budapest agreement);
– selling weapons to the Syrian regime;
– the invasion of Georgia, ripping two territories away from it;
– the invasion of Crimea, ripping it from Ukraine;
– an absence of free and fair elections;
– total control over the television media;
– a poor human rights record (assassinations of journalists, Pussy Riot’s incarceration, political prisoners etc);
– the lack of an independent judiciary;
– predatory state-owned corporate enterprises run by security service officials with little regard for sanctity of contract or corporate social responsibility.
 
The point is that's a response to Russia's actions. In case you've all forgotten, the invasion of Crimea was immediately preceded by Russian military war games on the border. Just LOL at whoever it was who claimed it was all perfectly normal to hold military exercises on your neighbours doorstep - you lot are spectacularly and wilfully naive when it comes to Putin and Russia.

It does happen all the time - you are the one who is spectacularly naïve. You only have to look at US war games in the far east.

Your list of what one country has done is laughable - you could draw a list of things the US has done or the Chinese have done and they would be equally reprehensible.

Not forgetting of course the UK which used a 'no fly' resolution in Libya to enforce regime change and create a failed state with militias fighting each other for power. Which spilled over Libya's southern borders creating problems there.
 
– the invasion of Georgia, ripping two territories away from it;

Russia's attack on Georgia was provoked by Georgia's invasion of those territories, Georgia invaded them and Russia booted them out then chased them home and gave them a kicking to make them think twice about doing it again.

NB: Those territories don't belong to Russia today, they are still independent self governing states as they were before the Georgian invasion (They exercised their right to self determination following the breakup of the USSR, over a decade before Georgia's attempt to annex them).

And as for Pussy Riot's incarceration, the thing everybody seemed to miss there was that it was fully deserved, just because it was Russia incarcerating them didn't change that!
 
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And as for Pussy Riot's incarceration, the thing everybody seemed to miss there was that it was fully deserved, just because it was Russia incarcerating them didn't change that!

So just to be clear you think a peaceful protest, interrupting a religious service deserves two years in prison?

Incidentally, the list above came from this link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/western-media-coverage-ukraine-crisis-russia Fascinating arguments if you have the intellect to actually understand it :)
 
So just to be clear you think a peaceful protest, interrupting a religious service deserves two years in prison?

No I think a hate crime does. If it was a UK punk band barging into a mosque to perform profanity ridden songs insulting Muhammed, Muslims and Islam would you feel the same? or does it somehow make it okay because it was Russian women barging into a church to perform profanity ridden songs insulting Jesus, Christians and Christianity?
 
No I think a hate crime does. If it was a UK punk band barging into a mosque to perform profanity ridden songs insulting Muhammed, Muslims and Islam would you feel the same? or does it somehow make it okay because it was Russian women barging into a church to perform profanity ridden songs insulting Jesus, Christians and Christianity?

Considering that these two got prosecuted for chucking bacon at a Mosque I could imagine something similar getting you in trouble over here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27941589
 
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