Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[dlockers]

Its a lot more than £40 extra a month and not everyone can afford it. If a way can be found to end this through negotiation that doesn't screw over Ukraine then its in all of our interests that they take it. The sanctions will likely be reversed sooner than people expect if an agreement is made as this cost of living crisis is really going to hurt.

You understand fuel prices were going through the roof regardless of Ukraine? All of the UK energy companies going bust started months before this was even on our radar.

 

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*Libya Prime Minister Urges OPEC to Increase Oil Supply
*Libya PM Says Libya Put in Place Quick Plans to Enable National Oil Co to Increase Output in Short and Medium Terms
*World Bank Says Importers of Wheat and Grains From Ukraine, Russia Will Have Trouble Switching to Alternative Sources Amid War; Short-Run Supply Shortages Likely
https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status/1504086027807379462

*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov Speaks With Turkey’s Cavusoglu
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Is Seeking Demilitarisation and Denazification of Ukraine.
*Russia’s Lavrov Says on Ukraine: Putin Has Repeatedly Said There Are No Hindrances to a Meeting With Zelenskiy
*Russia’s Lavrov Says on Ukraine: We Have Repeatedly Said That Ukraine Tends to Like Having Meetings for the Sake of Publicity

*Russia’s Lavrov Says on Ukraine: West Keeps On Supporting Ukraine’s Fake News and Propaganda While Ignoring the Suffering of Russian-Speaking Civilians in Donbass
https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/1504082275553746952

LIVE - Ukraine’s President Zelenskiy Addresses US Congress (13:00 PM GMT)

*Zelenskiy Says in Address to U.S. Congress We Need You Right Now, “Remember Pearl Harbor”
*Zelenskiy Tells U.S. Lawmakers if No-Fly Zone Is Too Much to Ask, Ukraine Needs Planes, Air Defense Systems
*Zelenskiy Calls on All U.S. Businesses to Leave Russia
*Zelenskiy: America Should Close Its Ports to Russia.
*Zelenskiy Says to Biden “I Wish You to Be the Leader of the World,” That Means the Leader of Peace
https://twitter.com/LauraGarciaNBC/status/1504082898361540610
https://twitter.com/betsy_klein/status/1504083247105466369
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1504083709166817280 - 'Ukraine’s Zelenskiy asks Congress: is a no-fly zone too much to ask for? Then Kyiv needs S-300 air defense systems and other weapons.'
https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/1504084151141552132 - “Peace is more important than income.”
https://twitter.com/ErinDelmore/status/1504086247731572740 - "As the leader of my nation, I'm addressing President Biden: You are the leader of your nation. I wish you to be the leader of the world. Being the leader of the world means to be the leader of peace."

 

[arknor]

He will have to recognize Crimea as being part of Russia and maybe give up the Donbas but i don't think they will want that anyway more trouble than its worth and its a ruin now anyway.

Azov being disbanded is probably one of the things Russia wants and Zelensky can't do it, they will just start a civil war instead

 

[Puzzled]

You understand fuel prices were going through the roof regardless of Ukraine? All of the UK energy companies going bust started months before this was even on our radar.

Yes and the cap is predicted to jump a huge amount again in October (40-50%) due to the war in Ukraine. Its unsustainable and the government are not putting adequate support in place to help people through it.

 

[TheMightyTen]

Would you prefer me to jump on the bandwagon and spam unrealistic twitter posts ?
I'm just trying to have a more realistic discussion.

Or demonstrating you have fallen hook, line and sinker for Putin and Lavrov's Maskirovka. It appears more like you don't believe a sovereign nation has the right to determine it's own wants and wishes (the likelihood of those wants and wishes being granted being very low in the case of NATO membership)

 

[Nerusy]

Here we go bois, another "the other side of the argument" comrade

"Its all about the subtleties of the situation which only make sense if you just, for a second, consider ignoring the big picture entirely"

How dare he commit a thoughtcrime. We ought to send him to the Ministry of Love!

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Nah I don't care

 

[banbom44]

Yes and the cap is predicted to jump a huge amount again in October (40-50%) due to the war in Ukraine. Its unsustainable and the government are not putting adequate support in place to help people through it.

Could Iran or Venezuela help maybe by dropping sanctions and they have lots of oil and gas to sell.

 

[Washout]

Would you prefer me to jump on the bandwagon and spam unrealistic twitter posts ?
I'm just trying to have a more realistic discussion.

The only real reason they didn’t want Ukraine in nato was it would prohibit them from doing exactly what they are now. Everything else is just propaganda to feed to the gullible.
Russia already has borders with Nato countries. None of those countries host or have anything that could threaten Russia itself. It was never about Russian security being compromised.
Nice talking point for them to spew out.

it does now give Putin an off ramp though for saving face as they’ve frankly lost this. They can inflict enormous damage to Ukraine and themselves by prolonging it but the reality is they’ve lost. This isn’t the 40’s where they can just throw bodies and mass produced armour at a problem.

 

[Uther]

It's the internet, if it existed in 1939 I'm sure the same sort of people would have been supporting the German invasion of Poland, just 'because...'

 

[CaptainRAVE]

My point still stands, sanctions cannot continue (without leading to WW3) just because Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
A lack of resource and a country "dying" will inevitably lead to war.

Even with sanctions lifted, the majority of companies won’t be seen to do business with them.

 

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*Russia’s Patrushev, U.S. Sullivan Hold Phone Talks — TASS
*Russia’s Patrushev Urged US National Security Adviser Sullivan to Halt Ukraine Arms Supplies. — IFX.
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1504089039317704710
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1504090238137913347

*Putin: We Do Not Want to Occupy Ukraine
*Putin: We Did Not Have Alternative Choices Other Than the Special Military Operation.
*Putin: Ukraine Could Have Had Nuclear Weapons in the Foreseeable Future
*Putin: Ukraine Backed Up by Western Powers Planned Aggression Against Russia
*Putin: Kyiv Authorities Were Urged to Evacuate Soldiers From Donbass at the Start of the Operation, but They Did Not Do So.
*Putin: Ukraine ‘Operation’ ‘Successful’, in Line w/ Plans — TASS
*Putin: Ukraine, Backed by Western Forces, Planned Aggression on Russia.
*Putin: All Our Tasks Will Be Achieved
*Putin: We Are Ready for Talks.
*Putin: West Is Facing Rising Energy Costs
*Putin: The Problems of the West Will Only Increase
https://twitter.com/ForexLive/status/1504089613924810752

~editing as/if more is added

 

[Rilot]

Even with sanctions lifted, the majority of companies won’t be seen to do business with them.

Of course they will. If they can make money then they will do business.

 

[banbom44]

The only real reason they didn’t want Ukraine in nato was it would prohibit them from doing exactly what they are now. Everything else is just propaganda to feed to the gullible.
Russia already has borders with Nato countries. None of those countries host or have anything that could threaten Russia itself. It was never about Russian security being compromised.
Nice talking point for them to spew out.

it does now give Putin an off ramp though for saving face as they’ve frankly lost this. They can inflict enormous damage to Ukraine and themselves by prolonging it but the reality is they’ve lost. This isn’t the 40’s where they can just throw bodies and mass produced armour at a problem.

Was NATO just an excuse just like the Nazi stuff and it was all just plain old Russian imperialism?

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Of course they will. If they can make money then they will do business.

Depends whether people boycott them or not. It’ll take a long time. With potential changes to trademark laws and Russia making of with millions in leased equipment, they don’t exactly exude investment confidence.

Other than natural resources there won’t be much money in Russia to go around anyway.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Even with sanctions lifted, the majority of companies won’t be seen to do business with them.

The same businesses that do business in China?
Business will go where they can make money.

 

[banbom44]

Depends whether people boycott them or not. It’ll take a long time. With potential changes to trademark laws and Russia making of with millions in leased equipment, they don’t exactly exude investment confidence.

We invest in china and they nick stuff all the time it costs the United States 500 billion dollars a year in stolen technology.

 

[Rilot]

I suppose, when a Big-Mac costs a month's wages it's hard to sell.

 

[Jono8]

*Putin: Ukraine Backed Up by Western Powers Planned Aggression Against Russia
*Putin: Ukraine, Backed by Western Forces, Planned Aggression on Russia.

This is just such obvious bull ****.

There was never any risk whatsoever of Ukraine attacking Russia.

 

[Rroff]

This is just such obvious bull ****.

There was never any risk whatsoever of Ukraine attacking Russia.

The worrying thing is whether Putin believes his own propaganda or not :s