Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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— Bloomberg (CET Time)

Spoiler: *U.S. to Send More Military Aid

*U.S. to Send More Military Aid

Spoiler: *Intel Suspends Business Operations in Russia

*Intel Suspends Business Operations in Russia

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Spoiler: *UK MoD Update:

'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 6 April 2022'

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1511563287057551368

 

[Malevolence]

I'm dreading to see what horrors will unfold and come to light once Mariupol is liberated.

 

[chaparral]

Surely russian going see this and send a few missiles at it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1511400930364825605

 

[Rroff]

Surely russian going see this and send a few missiles at it

Attacking it while outside of Ukraine would be a serious escalation - I assume they aren't going to just trundle the train into Ukraine though.

 

[NickK]

Are there any essentially disposable USV's that could carry 2-4 Harpoons to 100-200 miles?

You'd think such a thing would exist, but maybe it's not feasible.

Edit: Additional thought which is a bit insane, but if such a vehicle exists and could carry it... perhaps loading a captured fully loaded TOS-1A rocket pod onto one would allow them to kindly return it to the Russian navy at Sevastopol.

Small submersible USV with launch tubes at 45 deg could easily carry them and have a warhead itself. Harpoons are big - each weigh 225kg. The Turkish drone has a payload of 150kg. Drone missiles/ordinance tends to be in the 10-50kg range. Tor example, the Turksh ordinance is about10kg range, Brimstone is 50Kg. Brimstone's creators have a anti-ship variant "Spear" with is <100kg.
Same drone could have a pair of torpedoes strapped to the outside, even using the torpedoes as the ballast for launching the missile launch, then when missiles are depleated the torpedoes are released and then finally the drone can go kamikaze.

The main issue is not the the launch but the systems for targeting. Unless you make a remote targeting system for drones that simply relays the targeting back to the ship. The neat thing a boat doesn't travel that fast compared to communications.


I suspect the days of submarines are numbered too. Underwater autonomous hunter UAVs with batteries of small torpedoes surfing the water without propulsion like a Manta ray would prove difficult for subs. The only issue is that man-in-the-loop firing requires communications and that's difficult for autonomous UAVs at depth.

 

[LabR@t]

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-ukraine-war-ai-surveillance/amp


Future wars against oppressive AI are going to be fun!

 

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— Bloomberg (CET Time)

Spoiler: *Oil Pares Declines as EU Avoids Sanctions

*Oil Pares Declines as EU Avoids Sanctions

Spoiler: *China Envoy Calls Violence ‘Disturbing’

*China Envoy Calls Violence ‘Disturbing’

Spoiler: *EU Diplomat Says Xi Summit a ‘Deaf Dialog’

*EU Diplomat Says Xi Summit a ‘Deaf Dialog’

Spoiler: *Russia to Face New U.S., EU, G-7 Sanctions

*Russia to Face New U.S., EU, G-7 Sanctions

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...voy-calls-violence-in-bucha-deeply-disturbing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...at-calls-summit-with-china-s-xi-a-deaf-dialog
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-new-sanctions-on-russia-hitting-investments

 

[SPG]

The country has been set back 10 years minimum from a fiscal sense if not more. What is more damaging is the rest of the worlds view on the Russian people. They will all be painted with the same brush now on mass & rightly so tbh.

 

[Worthy]

I’m on a two hour bus journey with nothing to do. All the time in the world to utilise the hammer if you don’t stay on topic.

 

[englishpremier]

The country has been set back 10 years minimum from a fiscal sense if not more. What is more damaging is the rest of the worlds view on the Russian people. They will all be painted with the same brush now on mass & rightly so tbh.

Does this mean I shouldn't swipe right now on Russian girls on Tinder?

Incidentally, I've noticed a big increase of those listing Ukrainian as one of their languages now.

I also saw that Wimbledon is consulting with the Government about what to d with Russian players. The headlines read as if they could be banned from the tournament. https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61003824

I'm not sure how that is helpful to anyone, given that most won't actually live in Russia and haven't for many years, and don't support the war.

 

[Hagar]

What is more damaging is the rest of the worlds view on the Russian people. They will all be painted with the same brush now on mass & rightly so tbh.

I think many people have had a jaundiced view of the Russian hierarchy based on distrust since the USSR was in being and since. Only Mikhail Gorbachev broke the mould but when he was deposed in favour of Yeltsin, a drunk, who was then deposed in favour of Putin, a cold war warrior was the die reset in favour of the bad old days.

Still they may be leaner and fitter without all the western fast foods and excess consumption. If they stay off the vodka.

 

[Dis86]

I’m on a two hour bus journey with nothing to do. All the time in the world to utilise the hammer if you don’t stay on topic.

love it.

And on topic as weird as this sounds, with the amount of aid that's due to pour in to Ukraine could this not be an opportunity for them to become a leading green economy when they rebuild?

 

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— Bloomberg (CET Time)

Spoiler: *Russian Car Sales Collapse Amid Supply, Price Shocks

*Russian Car Sales Collapse Amid Supply, Price Shocks

Spoiler: *Ukraine Says Russia Hits Agricultural, Economic Targets

*Ukraine Says Russia Hits Agricultural, Economic Targets

Spoiler: *Hungary Unhappy With Ukraine’s Reaction to Orban Win

*Hungary Unhappy With Ukraine’s Reaction to Orban Win

Spoiler: *Dutch Probing Ownership of 12 Yachts Under Construction

*Dutch Probing Ownership of 12 Yachts Under Construction

Spoiler: *EU May Need to Sanction Russian Oil, Gas, Michel Says

*EU May Need to Sanction Russian Oil, Gas, Michel Says

*Head of Ukraine’s Gas Transit Operator: The Country’s War-Related Losses Total Hundreds of Millions of Euros.
*Head of Gas Transit Operator: Three Main Gas Pipelines Were Damaged During the Battle According to the Head of a Gas Transit Operator, and Two Gas Distribution Stations Were Destroyed.

 

[mid_gen]

love it.

And on topic as weird as this sounds, with the amount of aid that's due to pour in to Ukraine could this not be an opportunity for them to become a leading green economy when they rebuild?

The whole conflict would be an excellent reason for Europe to invest in nuclear and a long-term renewable strategy.

Unfortunately what is likely to happen is that the short-sighted political classes are just going to revert back to dragging as much fossil fuel out of the ground as possible and keep kicking the can down the road.

 

[SPG]

Does this mean I shouldn't swipe right now on Russian girls on Tinder?

Incidentally, I've noticed a big increase of those listing Ukrainian as one of their languages now.

I also saw that Wimbledon is consulting with the Government about what to d with Russian players. The headlines read as if they could be banned from the tournament. https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61003824

I'm not sure how that is helpful to anyone, given that most won't actually live in Russia and haven't for many years, and don't support the war.

Sport is a interesting one, The only option I see viable is they the sport person in question applies to their current country of residence for citizenship effectively putting the money where you mouth is and having yourself listed on a Putin esque poison death squad list or staying "Russian and giving up your professional career. Very simple and very clean.

 

[andybird123]

Watching the Colbert segment today on Ukraine, turns out the 40 mile convoy was taken care of by merely civilians who were hobbyist drone and machinists, so they used those drones and dirt buggies to help ambush the convoy during the nights. Madlads.

They weren't civilians, they are an actual unit of the Ukraine armed forces, but they did self fund a lot of their drones etc and rigged them to drop AT grenades themselves. (The unit itself was nearly disbanded by Ukraine but they were kept on basically at the last minute when Russia started being a bit more threatening).

 

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— Bloomberg (CET Time)

Spoiler: *EU Sanctions Should Be Stronger, Lithuania Says

*EU Sanctions Should Be Stronger, Lithuania Says

Spoiler: *Yellen to Warn of ‘Enormous’ Economic Effects From War

*Yellen to Warn of ‘Enormous’ Economic Effects From War

Spoiler: *EU Mulls Sanctions on Deripaska, Gref, Kerimov

*EU Mulls Sanctions on Deripaska, Gref, Kerimov

*Russia: European Countries Causing Trouble for Russian Diplomats Are Shooting Themselves in the Foot — TASS

 

[andybird123]

love it.

And on topic as weird as this sounds, with the amount of aid that's due to pour in to Ukraine could this not be an opportunity for them to become a leading green economy when they rebuild?

Russia want Donbas because it has fossil fuels, so it seems unlikely Ukraine won't exploit them to help rebuild

 

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*Russia: European Countries Causing Trouble for Russian Diplomats Are Shooting Themselves in the Foot — TASS

*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister: Russia Wants to Keep Diplomatic Relations With the West Despite Expulsion of Its Diplomates — IFAX
*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister: European Countries Causing Trouble for Russian Diplomats Are Shooting Themselves in the Foot — TASS
*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Says He Hopes the West Has Enough Common Sense Not to Play Games Around Russia’s Kaliningrad Exclave — TASS.
*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Says Such Games Would Be ‘Playing With Fire’ — RIA.
*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister: The EU Will Pay for Its ‘Energy Blackmail’ — TASS.
*Russian Deputy Foreign Minister: We Don’t Have Any Contacts With NATO, There Is Nothing to Talk About at the Moment — TASS.
https://tass.ru/politika/14294337
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/14294417
https://tass.ru/politika/14294477 - 'Russia will take measures in response to the expulsion of its diplomats from the permanent mission to the EU'
https://tass.ru/politika/14294501
https://ria.ru/20220406/shantazh-1782039124.html
https://ria.ru/20220406/blokada-1782037821.html

*German Finance Minister Lindner: Germany Would Give Up Russian Oil and Gas and This Should Happen As Quickly As Possible.
*German Finance Minister Lindner: An Immediate Withdrawal From Russian Oil and Gas Is Not Possible.
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1511631821100003328

*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: 10 Million Ukrainians Have Been Left Without Shelter
*Ukraine’s President Zelensky: Russia Has Not Abandoned Its Plan to Occupy All of Ukraine.

*The Russian Finance Ministry: We Were Forced to Pay Roubles to Holders of 2022 and 2042 Eurobonds After a Foreign Bank Refused to Process a $649.2 Million FX Payment.
*According to the Russian Finance Ministry, a Foreign Bank Has Rejected Russia’s Order for Coupon Payments on Eurobonds Maturing in 2022 and 2042.
*Russia Finance Minstry: Russia May Consider Allowing Foreign Holders of 2022 and 2042 Eurobonds to Convert Rouble Payments to Forex Once Russia’s Access to Its Forex Accounts Is Restored.
*According to the Russian Finance Ministry, a Foreign Bank Has Also Rejected Russia’s Order to Pay the Face Value of 2022 Eurobonds to Their Holders.
*Russian Finance Ministry: Funds for Eurobond Payments Have Been Transferred to the Russian National Settlement Depository.
*Russian Finance Ministry: Foreign Bank Has Also Rejected Russia’s Order to Pay the Face Value of 2022 Eurobonds to Their Holders.

 

[englishpremier]

Russia want Donbas because it has fossil fuels, so it seems unlikely Ukraine won't exploit them to help rebuild

From what I saw on the maps of the potential oil and gas fields, they were all in Ukrainian controlled territory, not rebel held areas. Not sure how close Russia has got to them other than the fields in the Sea of Azov.