Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
There's currently someone in the Whitehouse who can barely string a sentence together, so Putin isn't remotely worried about America possibly intervening with their military, where as Trump was a wildcard so Putin could never actually be sure he wouldn't.
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Are you joking? Trump was the mastermind behind the capitulation to the Taliban which caused us to leave Afghanistan and lose all influence there. He also went ahead and made an agreement to withdraw US forces without even telling his NATO allies who also had forces in Afghanistan.

By his weak behaviour he also gave Putin the idea at Helsinki in 2018 that he would hand over Bill Browder et al. (anti-corruption activists who campaigned for the Magnitsky Act in the US) in exchange for the 12 Russian GRU officers indicted for hacking the Democratic National Committee and interfering in the election to help Trump win.

Trump is obsessed by money and obtaining personal power, loyalty to liberal democratic values and resisting tyrants mean nothing to him. Putin knows how to pull his strings which is why he wanted him to be the President.
 
Trump is/was unpredictable. That has advantages is situations like this. Chances are he'll be a pro-Putin weakling, but the snall chance he can be goaded into sending troops makes it a harder judgement. Biden can be relied on to be measured in his response.
 
Mr Jack said:
Trump is/was unpredictable. That has advantages is situations like this. Chances are he'll be a pro-Putin weakling, but the snall chance he can be goaded into sending troops makes it a harder judgement. Biden can be relied on to be measured in his response.
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Good God. Is Mr. Jack looking in the mirror and adjusting his MAGA hat ready for 2024? :)
 
Roar87 said:
You say that because you completely lack critical thinking, campaigning for the election and how spending is targeted is also based on the fact it's not a popular vote. If it had been a popular vote then we can say the results would be different, but we can't say Trump wouldn't have won because how elections are fought affects the outcome a lot. That includes holding election rallies, sending people door to door, local TV campaigns, radio interviews, etc.
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He lost the popular vote twice by millions of votes and his fragile ego even had him set up a commission to investigate voter fraud to excuse that loss 2016, of course it found no fraud. We know you're a Trump fan Roar but no amount of rallies, interviews, lawn signs, thinking, critical or otherwise finds 7m votes. He got spanked popular vote wise.
 
Roar87 said:
Are you being willfully ignorant or do you genuinely not understand why he said that? He's pointing out that the current US administration is so weak it's smart to do it now and not when he was in charge. There's currently someone in the Whitehouse who can barely string a sentence together, so Putin isn't remotely worried about America possibly intervening with their military, where as Trump was a wildcard so Putin could never actually be sure he wouldn't. That's the difference. Some actual ambiguity.
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My god you are deluded and have fully downed the kool-aid
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
He lost the popular vote twice by millions of votes and his fragile ego even had him set up a commission to investigate voter fraud to excuse that loss 2016, of course it found no fraud. We know you're a Trump fan Roar but no amount of rallies, interviews, lawn signs, thinking, critical or otherwise finds 7m votes. He got spanked popular vote wise.
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Why do you keep mentioning a popular vote? It's not relevant, you may as well be telling me a football team that lost 2-0 on goals won more corner kicks. If the intention was to win the popular vote then the outcome of elections would be dramatically different because campaign spending would change to reflect the fact it's a popular vote. Why are you even mentioning vote numbers to begin with? I'm talking about Trumps foreign policy compared to Biden and you're accusing me of being a Trump fan and telling me he lost an election, are you artificial intelligence or is there a human at the computer?
 
Roar87 said:
Why do you keep mentioning a popular vote? It's not relevant, you may as well be telling me a football team that lost 2-0 on goals won more corner kicks. If the intention was to win the popular vote then the outcome of elections would be dramatically different because campaign spending would change to reflect the fact it's a popular vote. Why are you even mentioning vote numbers to begin with? I'm talking about Trumps foreign policy compared to Biden and you're accusing me of being a Trump fan and telling me he lost an election, are you artificial intelligence or is there a human at the computer?
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I'm not sure you're following your own conversation. They were talking about Le Pen and her similarities to Trump and likelihood of being elected. Someone pointed out the French system uses the popular vote so her chance of actually getting in are unlikely (as she's failed previously) and it was pointed out that based on numbers Trump too would have failed. You keep saying they'd have campaigned differently which may be true, but then so would the other side. He'd also have had to of found a LOT of additional votes.

As for how Putin would have handled this whole thing if Trump were around. I'd guess no different. The chances of Trump not getting involved at all would be higher, he holds personal grudges over what's actually best for America and he won't be keen to help Ukraine (do me a favour etc). He's been nothing but disruptive from Natos pov so any action would lack any kind of cohesion without the US backing it. Something that at least the west seems to have right now Biden.
 
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