Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The west can produce arms material for longer and quicker Russia can. If it comes to attrition Russia can't win. The only thing Russia has is bodies. That can't last forever either.
 
Washout said:
I wonder if long range drones or the work of teams on the ground scouting and using those diy high end consumer drones to drop explosives?
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There are reports that the Ukrainians are flying jets not just drones as they now controlling a lot of the sky away from the Dombass region.

This gives them room to strike inside Russia. The Ukranian airforce is not a dead as we thought.
 
A political settlement is the only way for this to simmer down as much as it is morally wrong.

Perhaps tell Putin keep donbass, get out of Ukraine.

I don't think Russians despite all there bravado want the war in Ukraine to continue for too long doesn't matter how many people they have it's not ww2.
 
Screeeech said:
Nah, you don't want to get involved in bellicose playground style "tit-for-tat" with a bunch of thugs like Russia, we're better than that - far better to just keep quiet and let actions do the talking.
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Since when does a bully stop beating you because you're nice to them?

We're involved because we're supplying weapons to Ukraine.

I have a feeling that inside Russia they are whipping themselves up in to hysteria, with that maps of europe and plotting future invasions, and naming us.

It's only a matter of time until someone in Russia wants to pee higher than the rest to prove his loyalty to Russia and press the nuke button to show those Westerners.

Russia needs to know that if it launches a nuke at us it'll be the last thing it does.

They say we will only have 20 minutes warning. Let's make sure our red button is close.
 
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*German Bundestag Deputy Speaker Kubic: The German Bundestag Passed A Statement On Thursday Calling On The Government To Provide Ukraine With Full Support, Including An Increase In The Supply Of Heavy Weapons
*Bulgarian Prime Minister Petkov: The Bulgarian Government Will Not Agree To Russia's Gas Supply Conditions
*French Government Spokesman: There Will Be EU Emergency Energy Ministers’ Meeting Next Monday
 
Russia or more like Putin hates us with a passion. He has played the cold war game with us for a long time.

It's no coincidence he picks the UK for his scorn and threats all the time.

Make no mistake about it if the Nukes start to fly they are a lot heading our way.

Our defences will be on the highest alert right now and no doubt all our nuclear deterrents will be at sea.

Usually they are rotated but the cant get caught at Faslane right now
 
BowdonUK said:
Since when does a bully stop beating you because you're nice to them?

We're involved because we're supplying weapons to Ukraine.

I have a feeling that inside Russia they are whipping themselves up in to hysteria, with that maps of europe and plotting future invasions, and naming us.

It's only a matter of time until someone in Russia wants to pee higher than the rest to prove his loyalty to Russia and press the nuke button to show those Westerners.

Russia needs to know that if it launches a nuke at us it'll be the last thing it does.

They say we will only have 20 minutes warning. Let's make sure our red button is close.
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They might want to scare Ukraine into surrendering by launching a nuke or tactical nuke at an uninhabited area in Ukraine.

NATO's response should be launch one near the coast of Russia or somewhere uninhabited.
 
B&W said:
They might want to scare Ukraine into surrendering by launching a nuke or tactical nuke at an uninhabited area in Ukraine.

NATO's response should be launch one near the coast of Russia or somewhere uninhabited.
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Dangerous tactic, the response should be launched before the incoming missile hits.
 
BowdonUK said:
Since when does a bully stop beating you because you're nice to them?

We're involved because we're supplying weapons to Ukraine.

I have a feeling that inside Russia they are whipping themselves up in to hysteria, with that maps of europe and plotting future invasions, and naming us.

It's only a matter of time until someone in Russia wants to pee higher than the rest to prove his loyalty to Russia and press the nuke button to show those Westerners.

Russia needs to know that if it launches a nuke at us it'll be the last thing it does.

They say we will only have 20 minutes warning. Let's make sure our red button is close.
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I think from there is more steps to escalation than simply pushing the nuke button. For example there will be agents in "enemy" countries that have access to chemical/biological weapons (possibly a suitcase nuke) and those would be on the escalation path. However it's better for the FSB to work in whipping up unrest that leads to violence first then they can blame those in the country for initiating the release.
 
SPG said:
The west can produce arms material for longer and quicker Russia can. If it comes to attrition Russia can't win. The only thing Russia has is bodies. That can't last forever either.
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Not sure it's entirely correct, it's assuming the current status quo of other nations and their neutrality remains
 
BowdonUK said:
It's only a matter of time until someone in Russia wants to pee higher than the rest to prove his loyalty to Russia and press the nuke button to show those Westerners.

Russia needs to know that if it launches a nuke at us it'll be the last thing it does.

They say we will only have 20 minutes warning. Let's make sure our red button is close.
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Russia knows 100% that if it launches a nuclear weapon at a NATO country it gets deleted, that's all there is to it.

B&W said:
They might want to scare Ukraine into surrendering by launching a nuke or tactical nuke at an uninhabited area in Ukraine.

NATO's response should be launch one near the coast of Russia or somewhere uninhabited.
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Nah, you don't want to be reactive to somebody like Putin - that's what he wants. The moment you retaliate he says "See, told you the west wants to kill us all" and you jump onto the never ending ladder of escalation and ultimately the end. You have to hold fast and hold your nerve. If they did something very silly - like launch a nuclear weapon into the middle of nowhere just for the sake of it, best to just stand our ground maintain posture and let it be known that all of our nuclear deterrence is 100% ready to go as an insurance policy.
 
Well if they use a nuke in Ukraine and we do nothing then it will only signal that he can continue to do it, not sure that's viable considering our position tbh.
 
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https://ria.ru/20220428/pmef-1785958767.html
 
StriderX said:
Well if they use a nuke in Ukraine and we do nothing then it will only signal that he can continue to do it, not sure that's viable considering our position tbh.
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Depends, our nuclear deterrent isn't there to act on behalf of other non-NATO countries, it's there for our own defence - regardless of how horrid and unfair it is to imagine Ukraine being nuked. The use of nuclear weapons has to be an absolute complete and total last resort faced with the destruction of our way of life.

If Ukraine gets attacked with a nuclear weapon, and we fire one back - we end up creating the most gigantic path of escalation which ultimately would result in a full scale East - West exchange, from which there aren't any winners, that's ultimately where it goes and nobody wants that.
 
Screeeech said:
Depends, our nuclear deterrent isn't there to act on behalf of other non-NATO countries, it's there for our own defence - regardless of how horrid and unfair it is to imagine Ukraine being nuked. The use of nuclear weapons has to be an absolute complete and total last resort faced with the destruction of our way of life.

If Ukraine gets attacked with a nuclear weapon, and we fire one back - we end up creating the most gigantic path of escalation which ultimately would result in a full scale East - West exchange, from which there aren't any winners, that's ultimately where it goes and nobody wants that.
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I'm pretty sure some on here relish the thought of an all out war.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think we need to at least toughen up our language to Russia.

Our none replies to Russia's rhetoric is being seen more and more as bluffing. We're not acting like a superpower. We're tempting Russia to strike us. That is why Russia is getting more confident to name us as a target.
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We could always just supply small arms to Ukraine and not escalate a conflict with a nuclear armed state. We can sit here and say Russia won't do anything and believe it to be true, but if they do it then we'll all be dead, even if we retaliate it doesn't matter, we're all just as dead as they are. It just isn't worth it. Ukraine is doing fine without us sending heavy weapons, why do our Ministers continue to escalate with words? We can sit here and wait for Putin to die of old age and the Russian economy to collapse, we don't need to lift a finger to win.
 
Screeeech said:
Depends, our nuclear deterrent isn't there to act on behalf of other non-NATO countries, it's there for our own defence - regardless of how horrid and unfair it is to imagine Ukraine being nuked. The use of nuclear weapons has to be an absolute complete and total last resort faced with the destruction of our way of life.

If Ukraine gets attacked with a nuclear weapon, and we fire one back - we end up creating the most gigantic path of escalation which ultimately would result in a full scale East - West exchange, from which there aren't any winners, that's ultimately where it goes and nobody wants that.
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Armchair general that I am would, in that situation(any nuke used on Ukraine) Any nation or company that still trades with and does not cut Russia off economically will be sanctioned in the same way as Russia is(e.g Russia banned from any foreign currency transactions). A nuclear response need not be actually nuclear, but economic, social "nuke" would also count. Sanction them (and those that still do business with them) back to the stone age.
 
nsmalley said:
Armchair general that I am would, in that situation(any nuke used on Ukraine) Any nation or company that still trades with and does not cut Russia off economically will be sanctioned in the same way as Russia is(e.g Russia banned from any foreign currency transactions). A nuclear response need not be actually nuclear, but economic, social "nuke" would also count. Sanction them (and those that still do business with them) back to the stone age.
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Yup, any use of a tactical nuke here by Russia would have to mean perhaps exceeding North Korea levels of being cut off, no excuses for Germany and others to buy gas, just shut it off + China being told to pack it in too/not support them unless they want to trash their trade relationships with the west.
 
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