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Rroff said:
That said IMO we are skating close to territory where not rebooting the civil defence program is irresponsible.
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I completely agree, if anything this should act as a wake up call.

I hope to hell our goverment are doing a whole load of stuff in the background.

But looking at the state of our goverment, I dunno....................
 
Minstadave said:
If the West de-escalate in the face of Russian aggression surely that invites further aggression against neighbouring states. Much better to act decisively and early I think whilst the conflict is contained.
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I don't think you can act decisively without invoking WWIII, if NATO forces get involved in the actual fighting on Ukrainian territory en masse in a conventional theatre of war, we go directly to WWIII.

If we do some half measures, like try to impose a no-fly zone - that also leads to WWIII because it would involve NATO jets and SEAD missions (getting rid of all the S400s), which would equal a huge escalation and also result in WWIII.

We can't really threaten to "nuke" Russia, because NATO nuclear power is all based around defence rather than offence.

I just think the only way NATO can really win in this, is to supply Ukraine with everything and let them do the fighting, along with harsh sanctions - I don't think we can do that much more, not without risking WWIII.
 
*Kremlin Spokesman: President Putin Clearly Said Civilians Can Leave Azovstal Plant, Defenders Must Lay Down Arms, and Says This Is Not a Topic for Negotiations — TASS
 
Minusorange said:

More focused Russian equivalent of The One Show discussing nuking UK

At least one commenter is level headed to mention that nobody wins a nuclear war but he's countered with "it'll be a clean slate" :cry:

While I think they genuinely believe what they're saying, it's really just a glorified psy op to scare us and it benefits Russia if we're all scared
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They just can't fathom that there won't be a ******* slate left for them to clean.
 
Rroff said:
We have good visibility as to the disposition of their nuclear forces so in theory will know in good time if they change to a posture the use of it might be a reality - even though in theory it can be used at any time.

That said IMO we are skating close to territory where not rebooting the civil defence program is irresponsible.
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I agree, but this country is scared enough of things already. My 6 year old is being taught about the war in Ukraine at school, understands that we need to help them.
 
Mysterae_ said:
I agree, but this country is scared enough of things already. My 6 year old is being taught about the war in Ukraine at school, understands that we need to help them.
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Unfortunately that is the reality of war. As I mentioned a few posts back I was a bit shocked when my nephew (just a kid) came out with "we just need to shoot Putin in the head".

We seem to have sleep walked into a grim reality.

IGBT said:
Is it possible to intercept and stop a nuclear missile ? Like detonating it in the air?
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In theory yes - in practise in a full on nuclear exchange it won't make much difference - even the US doesn't have the capacity to stop more than a fraction of the missiles getting through - even assuming Russia's actually viable arsenal was significantly smaller than on paper.

That said we still need to beef up our anti-air defences IMO - we might have reason to need it against a more limited exchange and it is an area in general we are lacking with only the Type 45s really providing a significant air-defence rather than point defence capability.
 
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Roar87 said:
It must be nice to be so sure of the outcome given the extreme price we would pay for you being wrong. Your analogy isn't really relevant though considering Americas relative safety from the German Army, not like the United Kingdom and Russia - they actually present a very real existential threat to the UK. Perhaps one day you could branch your analogies out a bit and not use Nazi Germany.
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Its perfectly relevant because Russia isn't starting a nuclear war. MAD is the same today as it was through the whole of the cold war. You seem to scare easily from Putin's empty threats.

You might want to throw Ukraine under the bus, fortunately those in charge of Ukraine's allies have bigger balls and I include the female heads of state in that. They know you either stand up to bullies or you keep getting bullied.
 
Minusorange said:

More focused Russian equivalent of The One Show discussing nuking UK

At least one commenter is level headed to mention that nobody wins a nuclear war but he's countered with "it'll be a clean slate" :cry:

While I think they genuinely believe what they're saying, it's really just a glorified psy op to scare us and it benefits Russia if we're all scared
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They are pretty much actors. None of them truly believe that nonsense because they know they and their families will die when Moscow is turned to a nuclear wasteland. Their audience is sat in the Kremlin and if they want to keep their jobs and status they spout what they are told. They have as much credibility as this guy

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bingham67 said:
How comes these cruise missiles keep getting through I thought Kyiv anti air defences had been beefed up?
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I'd hazard a guess that its partly they cant swat every fly, and partly comes down to a strategic descision not to waste valuable Anti Air resourses on relatively cheap cruise missiles that on the grand scheme arnt really hampering the war effort. I would think they are keeping them for important air targets, also you have to think that every time the fire an anti air missile they are unmasking the location of a very high value target for Russia.
 
robfosters said:
The invention of nuclear weapons is a stain on the human race. What kind of sick species wants to invent a way of wiping out all of their own kind?
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In terms of death, nuclear weapons are pretty tame compared to some of the ways ours ancenstors enjoyed killing each other

Daji was best known for her invention of a method of torture known as the Bronze Toaster (炮烙).[7] This is described as a bronze cylinder covered with oil heated like a furnace with charcoal beneath until its sides were extremely hot. The victim was forced to walk on top of the slowly heating cylinder, and he was forced to shift his feet in order to not burn. The oily surface made it difficult for the victim to maintain their balance, and if the victim fell into the charcoal below, they would be burnt to death.
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Then there's the Brazen bull, being hung drawn and quartered, burned at stake, drowned, wars which involved the participants hacking each other to death with swords & axes or having boiling oil poured over you while you try to storm a castle.

And in todays world you've got the stuff that goes on in the Middle East with tortuous deaths and of course the grandmasters of death, the Mexican Cartels, so I can think of much worse ways we could all die than nuclear weapons.
 
$33bn wow.. have to commend the USA they step their game up when they need to... Love it.

Hopefully they stay a military powerhouse for many years to come and carry on policing the world, how it should be. Can't trust Russia/China, power to the USA!
 
A2Z said:
$33bn wow.. have to commend the USA they step their game up when they need to... Love it.

Hopefully they stay a military powerhouse for many years to come and carry on policing the world, how it should be. Can't trust Russia/China, power to the USA!
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They really are the lesser of all evils. They're not the "good" guys, but they're the guys whose side you want to be on, clearly
 
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