Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Why doesn't Ukraine just request some battalions from NATO to sit around Donbass to act as observers? Russia won't be defending anything if it risks that level of war.
 
alchal said:
Either way Ukraine has had time to prepare to train and arm up, it's going to cost Russia a lot more this time around, one wonders how he could silence the parents of the dead conscripts this time around or spin a tale of accidents.

Let's hope airlines will avoid the entire region this time around as well if it does kick off!
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You are over-estimating Ukraines capability. A lot of their country is pro-russian believe it or not. Especially lately when there has been a largest crackdown on pro russian sentiment in the country. Closing channels, trying to ban parties etc. Along with naming stadiums after Nazi collaborators - all above does not sit well with 'east' ukranians and they feel like they've been occupied by west Ukraine. Pretty much everything till west Ukraine has a lot of Russian sympathizers on its territory. The latest PR screw up was the US visit to the frontline. The US soldier decided to put a 'Ukraine or Death' patch on their arm and then went to salute a grave of a right sector member (which is a nazi private army).

https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/03/...adium-in-honor-of-nazi-ally-roman-shukhevych/

http://www.uniindia.com/news/world/security-us-ukraine/2367184.html

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/analysis-ukraine-bans-kremlin-linked-tv-channels/

What people do not understand is that this is widely reported in Russia and Eastern regions of Ukraine. This does not paint a good picture at all. People on this forum think that Ukraine is united against russia, it is not. While we can clap that Ukraine banned russia-linked channels in the west, this has angered a lot of eastern ukranian population which believe its being silenced.

Ukraine's 2nd most popular party is an openly pro Russia party, remember that.

If there is an all out war with Russia, it will be over within 3-4 days if not less. Ukranian HQ admits that themselves. Ukraine can not defend invasion from Crimea, Belarus and North of its borders.
 
StriderX said:
Why doesn't Ukraine just request some battalions from NATO to sit around Donbass to act as observers? Russia won't be defending anything if it risks that level of war.
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Because NATO won't do it, making the Ukraine look weaker for asking for it. Plus it would increase the anger/resentment in the pro-Russian side of the Ukrainian population by effectively proving Putin right when he says that the Ukraine getting NATO involved shows more NATO encroachment in defiance of the Russia/NATO post-cold war pact, in which NATO agreed not to place troops in ex-Warsaw pact countries (whether that actually was agreed is up for debate), only for Russia to claim that NATO changed it's mind in 1997 by adding 3 more eastern European countries - something Russia really didn't like.

So there's a whole myriad of reasons why NATO won't be adding "Battalions" of troops into the Ukraine anytime soon. Training, equipment and ISR however, there's lots and lots of that on offer!
 
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Enkore said:
You are over-estimating Ukraines capability. A lot of their country is pro-russian believe it or not. Especially lately when there has been a largest crackdown on pro russian sentiment in the country. Closing channels, trying to ban parties etc. Along with naming stadiums after Nazi collaborators - all above does not sit well with 'east' ukranians and they feel like they've been occupied by west Ukraine. Pretty much everything till west Ukraine has a lot of Russian sympathizers on its territory. The latest PR screw up was the US visit to the frontline. The US soldier decided to put a 'Ukraine or Death' patch on their arm and then went to salute a grave of a right sector member (which is a nazi private army).

https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/03/...adium-in-honor-of-nazi-ally-roman-shukhevych/

http://www.uniindia.com/news/world/security-us-ukraine/2367184.html

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/analysis-ukraine-bans-kremlin-linked-tv-channels/

What people do not understand is that this is widely reported in Russia and Eastern regions of Ukraine. This does not paint a good picture at all. People on this forum think that Ukraine is united against russia, it is not. While we can clap that Ukraine banned russia-linked channels in the west, this has angered a lot of eastern ukranian population which believe its being silenced.

Ukraine's 2nd most popular party is an openly pro Russia party, remember that.

If there is an all out war with Russia, it will be over within 3-4 days if not less. Ukranian HQ admits that themselves. Ukraine can not defend invasion from Crimea, Belarus and North of its borders.
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17% of the population is marked as Russian ethnicity.

Not many could stand against Russian attacks, however they are not going to have to, they want to retake control of the water supplies to Crimea and destabilise the leadership to a one more pro Putin to me that's the game.

However they are also not going to be attacking officially, just like last time so that limits them, especially air force as they can't hide that aspect.

Ukrainian forces have been trained by the west and now have experience in electronic warfare, counter battery fire, drones etc and have been equipped with lots of anti tank munitions, no doubt delivered by the C-17s seen going in,plus the west has been sending in surveillance aircraft to the Crimean region so this time there is more of a picture of what's what.

So yes I think they stand a better chance, they may lose but how many Russians is Putin going to sacrifice, plus the efforts to cover up thier deaths etc, like last time?
 
alchal said:
17% of the population is marked as Russian ethnicity.

Not many could stand against Russian attacks, however they are not going to have to, they want to retake control of the water supplies to Crimea and destabilise the leadership to a one more pro Putin to me that's the game.

However they are also not going to be attacking officially, just like last time so that limits them, especially air force as they can't hide that aspect.

Ukrainian forces have been trained by the west and now have experience in electronic warfare, counter battery fire, drones etc and have been equipped with lots of anti tank munitions, no doubt delivered by the C-17s seen going in,plus the west has been sending in surveillance aircraft to the Crimean region so this time there is more of a picture of what's what.

So yes I think they stand a better chance, they may lose but how many Russians is Putin going to sacrifice, plus the efforts to cover up thier deaths etc, like last time?
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Like I said, 'If there is an all out war with Russia'. If there is a local conflict, the borders will not move much from current at all. The rebels at best can hold the line, no chance for offensive.
 
alchal said:
17% of the population is marked as Russian ethnicity.

Not many could stand against Russian attacks, however they are not going to have to, they want to retake control of the water supplies to Crimea and destabilise the leadership to a one more pro Putin to me that's the game.

However they are also not going to be attacking officially, just like last time so that limits them, especially air force as they can't hide that aspect.

Ukrainian forces have been trained by the west and now have experience in electronic warfare, counter battery fire, drones etc and have been equipped with lots of anti tank munitions, no doubt delivered by the C-17s seen going in,plus the west has been sending in surveillance aircraft to the Crimean region so this time there is more of a picture of what's what.

So yes I think they stand a better chance, they may lose but how many Russians is Putin going to sacrifice, plus the efforts to cover up thier deaths etc, like last time?
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Exactly. Last time it came as a surprise and the battle was pretty much lost before it began. This time Ukraine will have been trained and armed, I think Russia would have real trouble without starting an all out offensive not under the guise of ‘rebels’. Putin knows this, he’s trying to pressure through posturing. The west has gotten wise to the modern political and military strategy of Russia and China.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Exactly. Last time it came as a surprise and the battle was pretty much lost before it began. This time Ukraine will have been trained and armed, I think Russia would have real trouble without starting an all out offensive not under the guise of ‘rebels’. Putin knows this, he’s trying to pressure through posturing. The west has gotten wise to the modern strategy of Russia and China.
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Yes this is exactly the case, Putin knows that he can't mount an offensive with the 'rebels' as it will fail. Moreover, Putin knows that the 'rebels' would not be able to even defend current positions if Ukraine went on full offensive with current reinforced numbers at border. So the question of the day then, what exactly can Putin win from this? Answer is nothing.

If you actually read into timeline, Ukraine was the first one to build up massive armies around the front-line. 2 weeks later, as result of understanding that without russian support should Ukraine attack it would be all over - Putin made his move. As usual, media only focuses on russian actions and serves it up as an offensive rather than defensive.

Putin in this situation has nothing to win at all. The only way he can advance frontline is with direct Russian involvement, at this point it looks like direct russian involvement would be needed to simply defend Donbass should Ukraine attack.

For this latest escalation you should look at US and Ukraine (I know shocking) as they have the most to win should this escalate. In any case, Putin loses.

My greatest worry in this situation is that if there is a conflict which results in direct Russian involvement, he might as well invade whole of Ukraine - because sanctions would be the same if it was limited or full on invasion.
 
Nothing really useful to add to the topic.
Just wanted to say it breaks my heart to see all of this.
I lived in Russia till 24 (now in my 40s), my family still there. Mother from Kazakhstan, father from Ukraine. Used to visit Ukraine as a kid and it was wonderful.
Now the people who used to treat each other as brothers and sisters are at war.
I wish I could get my family out of Russia...
 
Yevgeny said:
Nothing really useful to add to the topic.
Just wanted to say it breaks my heart to see all of this.
I lived in Russia till 24 (now in my 40s), my family still there. Mother from Kazakhstan, father from Ukraine. Used to visit Ukraine as a kid and it was wonderful.
Now the people who used to treat each other as brothers and sisters are at war.
I wish I could get my family out of Russia...
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Here's hoping they stay safe and can move soon.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Wouldn't that trigger a huge conflict? I mean they could, but would they, not so sure. Their policy seems mostly focussed on their other borders and the South China Sea as far as I was aware?
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Just figured they might want the rest of Manchuria back.

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Probably more advantageous to have a trading ally though, for now anyway.
 
Ukrainian president is meeting Turkey's dictator today, apparently to purchase Turkish drones, and the US have informed Turkey that a few USN warships will passing through the Bosphorus and into the Black Sea.
 
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