Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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SPG said:
You could and it's probable Germany would have
won and we would all be speaking German and 2nd class citizens as not from the motherland.
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None of us would be here if Germany had won, because the chances of any our parents ever meeting let alone copulating at exactly the right time in that alternate reality would have been zero. :D
 
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Crimean bridge... The special military operation is OVER. It's time to FIGHT! Harsh, even cruel. Without looking back at any censure from the West. No more sanctions! Worse words will not be said! We need to do our own. We started - we go to the end. There is no way back! It's time to answer!
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I think from the poor translation of his frothing at the mouth he's calling for war
 
arknor said:
So, was the truck bomb a suicide bomber? or was there another vehicle the driver escaped to
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It wasn't a truck bomb. Russia are talking rubbish. It was clearly an explosion below the actual bridge which took out the supports hence the large collapsed sections and not just a crater
 
i would strongly argue that a truck bomb did not result in 1 perfect section plopping cleanly into the water. Defo - precise charges under bridge.
 
esmozz said:
It stops in Ukraine - because anything else is unthinkable.

That is the argument and the point. Look - if we were having this conversation post 2014 and prior to the invasion in Feburary my take on the whole thing would be completely different. But we stood by and did nothing for years, just as we did nothing about Salisbury or the various other excesses of the Russia state. We could have acted but we (collectively) choose not to.

The time to defend the whole territorial integrity of Ukraine has past. My guess (and I have no particular expertise here) is that Crimea is the trigger point for a much wider conflict. I would have supported arming Ukraine to enable them to repel the recent invasion wholeheartedly has we decided to do so back then. And I suspect had we done so we wouldnt be in the situation we are now. But we did'nt, we in the west have been far too slow.

There is no point drawing a line in the sand if your opponent has already crossed that line. We have to manage the situation as it exists now. And that involves being realistic. And for the record, I believe that line should stop where it has always been - at the borders of NATO members.

As for people who've died in previous wars - I rather suspect they would rather not have died at all, but we'll never be able to ask them. We could ask their families though....
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I hate to defend Boris on anything but the one good thing he did was answering Ukraine's call for help and finally making a stand against Russia, it was too long coming. Utter nonsense waiting for them to roll up to a Nato country because by then Europe would would have really have been in the state Putin thought we were in.
 
dcsarge said:
I hate to defend Boris on anything but the one good thing he did was answering Ukraine's call for help and finally making a stand against Russia, it was too long coming. Utter nonsense waiting for them to roll up to a Nato country because by then Europe would would have really have been in the state Putin thought we were in.
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Of course, do you think the Toffs with their twisted poor man view of Britain expect to roll over and have their bellys tickled when murder was committed with some serious deadly poisoning happend on these shores.
Karma is a bitch orc leader :)
 
Uther said:
The Russians reckon they'll have the rail bridge fixed by this evening lol.
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They might be able to get it "operational" but I doubt it'll be fixed and back to it's normal standard of operation.
IIRC Russia has a huge number of specialist troops purely to run and maintain their military rail network, and they do seem to be far better trained and actually equipped unlike the rest of the armed forces, but there is a lot of difference between being able to get a rail bridge back into operation and able to take what might be much lighter loads at slower speeds (and possibly requiring checks after every train), and fixing it to take the sort of loads and frequency of loads that it was designed for.
Meaning they might get it up and able to help keep supplies running, but probably at a much reduced level and unable to make up for the loss of the road bridge, so the the choice of what exactly you send over in each load becomes far more complicated and important.
 
Werewolf said:
They might be able to get it "operational" but I doubt it'll be fixed and back to it's normal standard of operation.
IIRC Russia has a huge number of specialist troops purely to run and maintain their military rail network, and they do seem to be far better trained and actually equipped unlike the rest of the armed forces, but there is a lot of difference between being able to get a rail bridge back into operation and able to take what might be much lighter loads at slower speeds (and possibly requiring checks after every train), and fixing it to take the sort of loads and frequency of loads that it was designed for.
Meaning they might get it up and able to help keep supplies running, but probably at a much reduced level and unable to make up for the loss of the road bridge, so the the choice of what exactly you send over in each load becomes far more complicated and important.
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Wouldn't it be a shame if the rail bridge collapsed while carrying a load of tanks simply because Putin wanted to prove it was still operational? :)
 
Suspect they are might move to publicly (or at least heavily inferred) execute some previously high-level commanders as a means to save the defense minister and chief of staff which could easily backfire in a innumerate number of ways certainly on the frontline where commanders will be making even more wondrous reports to high command to avoid being blamed along with the risk that they decide that if they're going to die they might as well head to Moscow. There is also the chance that Russia goes through their own night of long knives to get rid of the Wagner/Chechen threats to the state.
 
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