I did wonder - there seems to be a lot of infighting currently and if it was a truck it was coming from the Russian side and the more likely direction for any kind of missile, etc. based on the footage is from the Russian side - possibly supposed to be a shot across the bows by one or other faction within the Russian regime which did a bit more damage than intended. Though I think a Ukrainian attack is probably more likely.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I did wonder - there seems to be a lot of infighting currently and if it was a truck it was coming from the Russian side and the more likely direction for any kind of missile, etc. based on the footage is from the Russian side - possibly supposed to be a shot across the bows by one or other faction within the Russian regime which did a bit more damage than intended. Though I think a Ukrainian attack is probably more likely.
I'm going with a thermobaric explosion, which is a blast overpressure explosion so the fuel ignition leaves lots of "fire" and thermal debris (the huge amount of sparks) in the air with a huge over-pressure area to kill people, yet virtually no shrapnel or a crater if it airbursts and those elements are all present in the videos of the bridge strike.
Next would be to figure out how a thermobaric device was delivered, we know they fit in the Russian Iskander-M SRBM so if Ukraine used it's Grom SRBM it'd be a new development for that missile. Outside of a Grom I have no idea how Ukraine could get a Thermobaric warhead of sufficient size onto the bridge. On the other hand I could be very wrong about it being thermobaric TBH.
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Watch it in slow motion, it's just waves breaking against the pillars.
It is what I was wondering with my follow up post to what you replied to:
There appears to be a lot of material and thermal debris in the explosion and a lot of smoke flowing in the wind which appears to re-ignite as it passes through what would still be hot parts and most of the damage appears to be intense heat rather than blast. Iskander has the range and warhead but I don't know enough about them as to whether it is capable of this.
If you are a manufacturer of any sort of weapons platform/system you want to get it into the hands of the Ukranian army right now
How many orders for HIMARS will be rolling in from around the world on the back of the showing it’s given in the past couple of month ?
Same with proper testing of kit. Nothing is going to give as much use to your kit as the UA are just now it’s like a mobile arms show for NATO kit atm though without them lifting a finger
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great news, i have an old colleague working there.
Who gives a ****, what you may think.
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Well, learn something every day! Had no idea tank hulls were welded in Greece.
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That would be very cool, especially if they've got some homegrown missile capable of doing this or indeed say improved guidance/modification to one of their remaining ballistic missiles.
That would also mean they could wait until the Russians repair the bridge, put valuable heavy equipment on it + skilled personnel and then hit the thing again with a secondary attack... especially good if the Russians still don't know what caused it/think it was a truck.
I assumed it was a boat and the boat thing seemed compelling but you made a reasonable point re: the blast perhaps + the video might just show a wave rather than a boat per se.
I guess it could be the truck, the front part of the truck exploding first perhaps, they only inspected the rear/had a quick look/visual inspection on the CCTV of the truck before it crossed the bridge but will be more thorough now in which case harder to carry out a secondary... timing it for the train though surely means someone observing from the shore or via satellite and being able to send a signal to detonate it unless they really did get the driver to be a suicide bomber.
I just can't see a Ukranian willingly driving a truck bomb. Could be wrong of course.
I wonder if we'll ever really know. I can certainly understand why the Ukranians are being coy, because they might want to do it again...
I wonder if we'll ever really know. I can certainly understand why the Ukranians are being coy, because they might want to do it again...
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It also highlights a very high risk... Putin's agents off on holiday to Greece..
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nah, they are going on the cheap at Turkey, not a single russian tourist came this year. Ukranians on the other hand did in huge numbers given their situation.
It's absolutely this, you can clearly see the bow wave, must have had a lot of explosives.
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How would western tanks fair against anti tank weapons Ukraine is using to blow up Russian tanks?
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Well there would be less cook offs and minimal/no attempts to go orbital at least.
However NATO would have massive air support so it wouldn't matter too much.
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Kinda worrying when you think about it.
Its crazy its the only plant welding hulls in all of Europe, that's dangerous in a war situation.
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I think the main difference would not be how the tank would fair (better) but the almost certain death if you launched an ATGM at a Western tank. Either from supporting infantry, armor or air power.
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Not particularly, it's just the only plant actually doing so at the moment. It's not like that is the only plant that ever gets used for making tanks and no other plants could do so if orders arrived.
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