Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Harlequin said:
a lot of chatter on russian media about a limited nuclear attack on the UK to force Europe out of supporting the war - apparently the replies to that are along the lines of `Remember Churchill` and that a limited nuclear attack with 10 warheads would garner a full subs worth at the very least in reply.
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If you were going to do a limited strike in the UK where would you target ?
I'm assuming an unpopulated area, if it were to be a warning? I don't think the response would be what he wants
 
Harlequin said:
Russia committed circa 190,000 armed forces personnel to the invasion along with 35,00 DPR and LPR on DDay in February. In august 2021, the defence minister of Russia said the country had around 170 BTG`s >> https://tass.com/defense/1324461 . Given probable expansion, this would have been around 190 for the entire army. Russia has been operating Battalion Tactical Groups since the debarkle in Chechnya - when large scale formations were proven to not work.

120BTG were committed to the invasion of Ukraine, taken from the Western , Central and Southern Military District (Russia has 5 commands , North, South, East, West and Central). This constitutes the bulk of Russian ground forces within 1000 miles of Ukraine. As for armour - why so many T72?`s? Russia had around 500 T80 and 350 T90 in active use, the problem being the thermal sights and a lot of the electronics are french. Once its gone, its gone - T72`s dont have the same level of problems. However that doesnt stop 1st Guards losing a regminets worth of its T80`s when it was overun. (and the odd fresh of the production line T90m, now in AFU use)
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Contrary to what is often banded around though that isn't 190,000 from their pre-war army size - that number is significantly bulked out from new draft/conscript and irregular forces such as Wagner and Chechens, etc. people seem to have quickly forgotten the images/videos of the mobilisation Russia did around 3 weeks before the war kicked off - as mentioned that was around 4K from the western military district alone - I never saw figures for other parts of the country but they usually tap the poorer parts heavier.

Part of why so many T-72s is because Russia reactivated a lot of T-80s in the recent years leading up to the war and used them to cycle out T-72s from other deployments - not sure if it was a planned maintenance cycle or with the intention of using them in Ukraine all along or a mix (EDIT: This was instead of replacing them with T-90s as seemed to have been their original intention). By 2020 Russia had far more than 500 T-80s in active use. As per your comment they've got a lot of T-90s still which haven't been used - though there are reasons for that.
 
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LabR@t said:
If you were going to do a limited strike in the UK where would you target ?
I'm assuming an unpopulated area, if it were to be a warning? I don't think the response would be what he wants
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Infrastructure - fuel refineries, ports, Portsmouth and the clyde naval bases, Fylingdales for early warning, a few raf bases and a few data centres. Croydon would be hit by proxy which isnt a bad thing tbh
 
LabR@t said:
If you were going to do a limited strike in the UK where would you target ?
I'm assuming an unpopulated area, if it were to be a warning? I don't think the response would be what he wants
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Several commentators have postulated they'd want to try and disrupt UK's electricity grid and port/logistic facilities, etc. (as well as some military targets such as the submarine facilities) so as to ferment a large scale civilian crisis as winter came on both as a demonstration with the intention of intimidation and to keep the US/Europe occupied having to deal with the resulting crisis as a priority over supplying Ukraine.

Personally I think Russia would do it if it was not for us and the French having nuclear weapons and the problems with mobilising strategic forces which would make everyone twitchy in case they were the target - I think Putin is far enough gone to bet on the US self-interest stopping them short of a nuclear exchange in retaliation.
 
Rroff said:
For instance I often see people banding about the ~250K figure for Russian forces used in this war detracted from the pre-war size of the Russian army (~900K) and claiming that Russia has already used ~27% of its army in this war - which isn't remotely accurate. How LNR/DNR forces figure into those numbers isn't entirely clear but Russia made use of a lot of newly drafted soldiers (sure some will be replacing those leaving service - but the most recent draft pre-war was larger than normal... weirdly), around 2-3 weeks before the war they did a round of mobilisation (used for Ukraine) - I'm not sure the exact size but the western military district was about 4K and they are normally tapped less than the east, they've extensively used private military and militia forces like the Chechens, etc. the actual commitment from the Russian armed forces in terms of man power is a lot less than often alluded to. Though they've expended quite a lot of their more experienced soldiers in Ukraine they still have a large amount of regular forces not used in Ukraine - of which about half already have commitments other than Ukraine i.e. arctic and eastern border forces and so on.
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Not that RF cares, but surely press-ganging people from occupied land to fight (and this case ending up as cannon fodder in even greater numbers than their regular army) must break various anti war crimes treaties?

And they are not even doing in the traditional empire way (going back to Alexander, the Mongols, etc.) of using those troops elsewhere in their empire but are sending them directly against their neighbours.

Any support the separatists warlords had in the "people's" republics must long be gone, and Moscow has ensured that as they certainly don't care for winning hearts and minds whatsoever.
 
Harlequin said:
you know thats not how this actually works? The term originates from the very first bomb test in Trinity New Mexico when after the detonation a new substance `Trinitite` was discovered, a glassy residue formed by teh heat and rpessure - and from teh rock and clay under the detontaion.
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Well I appreciate the semi-reasoned response, but I'm going to stick to the fact that glass is made out of sand, which is commonly found in deserts, such as New Mexico, and not so commonly in central Russia.

Anyway, this is a silly argument, my original ire was with people who seem to think that the horrors of nuclear warfare can so flippantly described.
 
KompuKare said:
Not that RF cares, but surely press-ganging people from occupied land to fight (and this case ending up as cannon fodder in even greater numbers than their regular army) must break various anti war crimes treaties?

And they are not even doing in the traditional empire way (going back to Alexander, the Mongols, etc.) of using those troops elsewhere in their empire but are sending them directly against their neighbours.

Any support the separatists warlords had in the "people's" republics must long be gone, and Moscow has ensured that as they certainly don't care for winning hearts and minds whatsoever.
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Pretty much everything Russia has done lately is with a mafia/cartel mentality - the only thing they seem to know is how to bully - so don't anticipate the potential problems of using press-ganged people in the way they are.
 
Rroff said:
Several commentators have postulated they'd want to try and disrupt UK's electricity grid and port/logistic facilities, etc. (as well as some military targets such as the submarine facilities) so as to ferment a large scale civilian crisis as winter came on both as a demonstration with the intention of intimidation and to keep the US/Europe occupied having to deal with the resulting crisis as a priority over supplying Ukraine.

Personally I think Russia would do it if it was not for us and the French having nuclear weapons and the problems with mobilising strategic forces which would make everyone twitchy in case they were the target - I think Putin is far enough gone to bet on the US self-interest stopping them short of a nuclear exchange in retaliation.
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Knowing the history around the USA reluctance to join us at the start of any major conflict, I'm quite worried your right
 
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Concrete said:
Well I appreciate the semi-reasoned response, but I'm going to stick to the fact that glass is made out of sand, which is commonly found in deserts, such as New Mexico, and not so commonly in central Russia.

Anyway, this is a silly argument, my original ire was with people who seem to think that the horrors of nuclear warfare can so flippantly described.
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Turned to glass might be a bit flippant but it has been in regular use as short hand for utter nuclear destruction for a very long time. Pages could be written about the horrors of nuclear war and it still wouldn't do justice in covering it.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Looks like Russia is going to take a 2nd crack at Kyiv then.
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The official line is that a combined Belarusian/Russian force will be reinforcing the border with Poland. We'll have to wait and see where these guys end up, but I think an attack on Kyiv is unlikely.
 
Rroff said:
Contrary to what is often banded around though that isn't 190,000 from their pre-war army size - that number is significantly bulked out from new draft/conscript and irregular forces such as Wagner and Chechens, etc. people seem to have quickly forgotten the images/videos of the mobilisation Russia did around 3 weeks before the war kicked off - as mentioned that was around 4K from the western military district alone - I never saw figures for other parts of the country but they usually tap the poorer parts heavier.

Part of why so many T-72s is because Russia reactivated a lot of T-80s in the recent years leading up to the war and used them to cycle out T-72s from other deployments - not sure if it was a planned maintenance cycle or with the intention of using them in Ukraine all along or a mix. By 2020 Russia had far more than 500 T-80s in active use. As per your comment they've got a lot of T-90s still which haven't been used - though there are reasons for that.
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Not a lot of evidence of the `significant number`, Chechans are fighting on both sides - they have been since 2014 and of recent >> https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dgjn8/chechnya-fighters-ukraine-russia-ramzan-kadyrov . Wagnar is to Russia as Blackwater is to the USA; a deniable asset but have access to the very best `toys`. You also seem to forget that ORYX has been identifying which units have been involved since day 1, with their methodology available to read - https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html , Russia also dont have as many T80`s as you think and have lost in excess of 280 of them >> https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/0...ry-aims-in-the-war-in-ukraine-after-100-days/ , they are also a very expensive tank to operate , once reason the T90 was made (similar history to the T62> T72 and T64>T80 and costs). No Russia isnt sitting on a huge armada of forces waiting for the hammer blow
 
Not sure why Kylew causes such a stir of insults? That's cult level reaction. Either debate him or ignore him and I'm glad I saw some people trying to counteract his arguments.

Similar disgust from me for some users dehumanizing the Russian soldiers.
 
Concrete said:
Well I appreciate the semi-reasoned response, but I'm going to stick to the fact that glass is made out of sand, which is commonly found in deserts, such as New Mexico, and not so commonly in central Russia.

Anyway, this is a silly argument, my original ire was with people who seem to think that the horrors of nuclear warfare can so flippantly described.
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In the 1950`s the RAF nicknamed the nuclear weapons as `buckets of instant sunshine` ; flippancy maybe , but also something to try and ease the mind of the horrors they would unleash.....
 
NZXT30 said:
Not sure why Kylew causes such a stir of insults? That's cult level reaction. Either debate him or ignore him and I'm glad I saw some people trying to counteract his arguments.

Similar disgust from me for some users dehumanizing the Russian soldiers.
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But...they are subhuman.
 
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