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I still think the noise out of Belarus is smoke and mirrors.

It doesn't make sense for them to dive in now, and they won't have the same restrictions as Russia does on counter-missile fire, so Ukraine can make great use of HIMARS to teach them a lesson or two.
 
Joint patrols near border apparently, Lukashenko looks like he doesn't want to get dragged into the war and there are question marks about just how loyal his army is they may not fight against ukrainians or maybe he fears if mobilised they'll turn on him instead

I just read that.​

Russian missile strike hits German consulate in Kyiv​

 
I don't know what Russia expect to gain from this particular tactic. They keep trying it, and they keep failing to gain anything from it. I don't think it even helps them save face.

Revenge, like WWII V1/V2 weapons it serves no purpose than for hate filled dictators to feel like they are "hitting back" i.e. vent their anger and frustration.

The army on the ground is no use in hitting back they're being put into reverse so missiles are an easy option against soft targets cities are big and unprotected for the most part and they don't shoot back.
 
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Well - the UK gassed the Kurds too before that. We have since signed up against chemical and biological weapons.

The evidence from all sources is weak at best that the shells were actually used, as by the time the weapons arrived in Mesopotamia , the RAF had the upper hand with delivered ordnance.
 
It's still highly unlikely that Belarus will enter the war, but going on joint manoeuvrers with Russia is enough to make Ukraine keep a wary eye on that border.
Maybe Ukriane will do a deal with Poland and let them take care of Belarus should they attack - the Poles are itching for a fight.
 
a lot of chatter on russian media about a limited nuclear attack on the UK to force Europe out of supporting the war - apparently the replies to that are along the lines of `Remember Churchill` and that a limited nuclear attack with 10 warheads would garner a full subs worth at the very least in reply.
 
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Seriously you really think Putin is holding anything back at this point in his disgraceful humiliation?

Personally yes - I think people vastly underestimate how paranoid Putin is of the West's intentions. Although it isn't necessarily about holding back - I think people underestimate just how long Russia can continue to drag ancient **** out of storage and put it back into some kind of service and they'll increasingly tighten up measures that have allowed people to dodge mobilisation and increasingly start to conscript proper unless something stops them.

For instance I often see people banding about the ~250K figure for Russian forces used in this war detracted from the pre-war size of the Russian army (~900K) and claiming that Russia has already used ~27% of its army in this war - which isn't remotely accurate. How LNR/DNR forces figure into those numbers isn't entirely clear but Russia made use of a lot of newly drafted soldiers (sure some will be replacing those leaving service - but the most recent draft pre-war was larger than normal... weirdly), around 2-3 weeks before the war they did a round of mobilisation (used for Ukraine) - I'm not sure the exact size but the western military district was about 4K and they are normally tapped less than the east, they've extensively used private military and militia forces like the Chechens, etc. the actual commitment from the Russian armed forces in terms of man power is a lot less than often alluded to. Though they've expended quite a lot of their more experienced soldiers in Ukraine they still have a large amount of regular forces not used in Ukraine - of which about half already have commitments other than Ukraine i.e. arctic and eastern border forces and so on.

Although how much is serviceable and how long it will take to put it back into service is another matter their storage areas for things like tanks, artillery, etc. are sitting at around 50 to 70% of their long term levels - based on what we've seen so far probably 2/3rds of that they'll manage to get into the war in some kind of functional condition. That doesn't include stuff like their T-90 stocks which they've barely touched for Ukraine and are mostly garaged up (albeit as I've mentioned earlier in the thread there is a reason why a lot of their T-90s are sitting in garages rather than deployed with active forces and they are using T-80s and T-72B3s instead).

Despite the talk of them running out of missiles since March - they still managed to fire 70+ at Ukraine last night - no one seems to know their actual stockpile size of cruise missiles, etc. left but apparently they are currently producing around 60 a month (which is a pitiful number for a war - but means they can keep slogging on).

Same with the talk of them running out of small arms and artillery ammo - but the Kharkiv offensive has turned up large stocks of ammo - the bigger problem Russia has is the logistics of getting it where it needs to be - as I said to some derision earlier in the thread Russia is highly dependant on railways to keep their forces moving forward.

Nobody in the west or Ukraine even wants a peace deal or negotiate anything. Lets just keep flooding Ukraine full of weapons.

We are heading for a complete disaster......And for what? two parts of Eastern Ukraine who mostly identify as Russia peed off because their elected government in 2014 was couped.

Doesn't matter if people in the West want peace or not - Putin has shown no interest in any kind of deal that doesn't involve the complete capitulation of Ukraine and you are deluded if sacrificing Ukraine for world peace would hold. The rest of your post has zero merit until Russia and especially Putin attempt to negotiate in good faith and given all their blatant lies in the UN, etc. it is going to take a lot now for anyone to make any deal with them.

I don't think there is a single instance in history where appeasing a tyrant has ended well and plenty of examples of why it is a very bad idea and any peace it brings is temporary and just building up for a bigger issue in the future.
 
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1st Guards have been wrecked, VDV have been wrecked. Those are not `newly drafted` soldiers. Russia has instgated stop loss - contract soldiers cannot now leave till this is over, the drafted into wagner prisoners cannot leave afetr 3 months. The reason Russia is now on a mass call up, is because the professional army has been mauled, the officer corps (which the Russian army replies on for tactical decisions unlike the west) has been shattered. The airforce only operates when it has tight SAM cover and informs the ground units they are operating.
 
a lot of chatter on russian media about a limited nuclear attack on the UK to force Europe out of supporting the war - apparently the replies to that are along the lines of `Remember Churchill` and that a limited nuclear attack with 10 warheads would garner a full subs worth at the very least in reply.
Well i suspect that people will have already pointed out - that would be an attack on NATO. China will be very concerned.
A limited nuclear attack is a nuclear attack..
 
1st Guards have been wrecked, VDV have been wrecked. Those are not `newly drafted` soldiers. Russia has instgated stop loss - contract soldiers cannot now leave till this is over, the drafted into wagner prisoners cannot leave afetr 3 months. The reason Russia is now on a mass call up, is because the professional army has been mauled, the officer corps (which the Russian army replies on for tactical decisions unlike the west) has been shattered. The airforce only operates when it has tight SAM cover and informs the ground units they are operating.

1st Guards and VDV are only a small part of Russia's overall armed forces - though they do make up a large part of the tip of the spear. But contrary to the impression you'd get from a lot of stuff in the news they did not deploy the Guards divisions, etc. at army group or division strength - they've utilised individual regiments, battalions and units (some of which have been almost entirely destroyed with like 20 soldiers left out of 650, etc.) and fleshed out the overall forces in those areas with inexperienced soldiers (and private military and other irregular forces), although as the war has gone on they've sent in more from their established forces piecemeal to replace losses. 4th Guard for instance they've used about 30% of their pre-war level in Ukraine, the remaining about half are deployed to regular duties like the Caucasus region.

People vastly underestimate how much Putin has tried to do this while minimising how much they draw from the regular army, though increasingly they've had to dip into it. Although they have expended a lot from their more experienced pool especially officer corps.
 
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a lot of chatter on russian media about a limited nuclear attack on the UK to force Europe out of supporting the war - apparently the replies to that are along the lines of `Remember Churchill` and that a limited nuclear attack with 10 warheads would garner a full subs worth at the very least in reply.

Any kind of response we took to even a "limited" nuclear attack would take Russia out of the war - while our full arsenal can only turn about 3% of Russia's land mass to glass we can more than hit enough targets to render their military severely degraded and there would be no reason to hold back from that in response.
 
a lot of chatter on russian media about a limited nuclear attack on the UK to force Europe out of supporting the war - apparently the replies to that are along the lines of `Remember Churchill` and that a limited nuclear attack with 10 warheads would garner a full subs worth at the very least in reply.
They're absolutely off their rocker if you think that'll make Europe pull out, the response would be turn Moscow into glass!
 
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