Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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got problems in your country? show how manly you are.
it's the classic dictator tactic.
we can only assume covid is hitting Russia hard and they need a distraction
Russia started ww2 with Germany when they invaded Poland,granted 16 days late to the let's invade Europe party but hey ho how easy it is to forget history.
They were not the victims in ww2 they decided to play the invasion game and invaded west first.
Napoleon was how bloody long ago? Maybe we should be afraid of the bloody Scandinavians and especially the Italians here in the UK ? How far back do we go to excuse our paranoid delusions etc?
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Well said
so what your saying is we need to rebuild hadrians wall or at-least put an army next to it.
destabilise your neighbours and make them waste loads of resources probably seems like a fun game to him
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Again, for the LOL'th - "IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK THE WEST WILL DO, IT IS WHAT RUSSIA THINKS" - so while we know "the West and Europe in particular" aren't gearing up for an invasion, Russia believes that we are and that belief guides it's actions.
So if you have the mental capacity required to understand the reason WHY someone is doing something (even if you disagree with it) then maybe you can alter your own actions to get a better reaction out of your opponent, getting them to do things you DO like. I mean that's just basic psychology which is often lost in geo-politics.
I doubt it tbh.. Putin might be a bit odd at times but he's not completely demented.
What you say is technically correct from a purely literal point of view but it completely ignores the context of the events.
Russia did help Germany invade Poland, but they only did it as a way to appease Germany and avoid being invaded themselves sooner than they were. And they only did it after Britain and France refused to join a mutual defence pact with them against the Nazis.
So far Ukraine has been a textbook example to Russians on why not have a pro-europe revolution. Putin is basking in that glory and wants to make sure it does not change.
It has grown its own legs, they use the excuse so much that a lot of people believe it to be true and they themselves cant stop it.
History has been actively re-written lately about WW2 in a sense quite frankly. We sort of put UK/US on a pedestal and put the soviets together with Nazis. Somehow Poland has ended up being this poor chap that got taken advantage of.
When in reality no one has been a good guy running up to WW2. Poland literally annexed parts of CZ in 1938 together with Nazis. Soviets tried to form pact with UK against Hitler and we refused which then led them to union with Nazis.
US was playing friendly with Nazis in Germany and especially people like Ford.
Then we finally all completely ignore that the reason Hitler even came about is because we decided to bankrupt Germany for decades on purpose as result of WW1. Then we were all shocked that ultra-nationalistic guy who rose up on hatred for everyone came about.
He may not be, but objectively I can fully see how from his point of view (and the overall Russian point of view) us admitting Ukraine (or Georgia) into NATO would be a defacto declaration of war. At the end of the day NATO was founded as a "lets gang up on Russia" club hence why they formed the Warsaw pact in response (actually their first response was to ask to join NATO, but they were told no because, you know "lets gang up on Russia" club).
A lot of people aren't looking at this objectively and are just taking a "We wouldn't invade Russia, they shouldn't care if Ukraine joined NATO or had loads of NATO troops there, they're just being silly" stance. But there's a very simple way to analogise the issue from our point of view and how we would react:
In the 60's NATO/WSP almost went to war because the USSR built missile silos in Cuba, they were told that any approaching ships would be sunk (to stop them getting warheads there). If instead there were no silos and the USSR had announced that Cuba was joining the USSR as the Soviet Socialist Republic of Cuba then the USA would have invaded Cuba immediately, overthrown Castro and set up a huge US military presence. They would have seen it as a defacto declaration of war by Cuba and Cuba as a legitimate military threat/target just like Russia would if we let Ukraine join NATO.
Putin does not think EU or US will invade Russia. He's just selling it to the population to remain popular. It goes down very well because we screw up so much and do nasty things while pretending we're the good guys.
As one example, you know the whole military build up around Ukraine that the whole world is criticizing? Well, the Russians asked what was NATO doing near their borders and our official response was that its none of their business. We can move our troops whenever and however we like and why on earth are you even daring to ask us. That goes down so well in Russian propaganda channels and there is tonnes of examples like this.
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Erm Stalin and Hitler agreed to carve up Poland between them the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Basically Germany would invade from the west and Russia from the east. Which Stalin was happy with when it happened it was Hitler who later reneged on that and decided to invade the whole east including Russia which Stalin was incredulous about, at first he wouldn't believe it.
Later they became our allies and "Uncle Joe" became a friend in name at anyrate. Russia incidently kept the territory of eastern poland they seized and after the war simply annexed a huge chunk of eastern germany and appended it to Poland effectively pushing their border a couple hundred miles westwards Gdansk the Polish shipbuilding yard used to be the german city of Danzig in east Prussia.
Russia's big fear, its national paranoia if you will, is invasion by the West from Napolean to Hitler they've been invaded and its carved into their psyche russian leaders like the idea of friendly (to them) states between them and the West, a buffer zone surrounding them
It wasn't "on purpose" it was just an unfortunate consequence and before the war most countries and Britain especially was conciliatory towards Germany many upper class types especially were very friendly towards Herr Hitler.
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Yes which just shows no one had any morals quite frankly even on the 'good guys side'. It was Uncle Joe and the great Ivan and then once Nazis were done for - empire of evil. Even Finland which everyone remembers by another poor country invaded by Soviets - once continuation war started went ahead deep into Russia and took part in starving out civilians in Leningrad together with Nazis then proceeded to turn on said Nazis and attacking them toward the end of the war.
LOL. Pull the other one.
Is this before or after they let the Nazis make panzers and train in Soviet territory??? Love the Soviet victimisation of ww2
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Once again you are ripping things out of context. Yes Soviets and Nazis did share technology and trade. US while not directly but assisted Hitler through companies like Chase, FORD and IBM. Chase bank literally was funding nazi war machine through selling of bonds in US.
Meanwhile UK literally agreed to give away territory to Nazis during appeasement without any word of those countries. Imagine the hubris, literally giving away countries in europe that you have no control or anything over.
https://historyofyesterday.com/thre...amelessly-supported-nazi-germany-58fe33910303
Yes Soviets trading with Nazis was bad. However, everyone else was at it and at the time it was seen to be normal.
Standard Oil literally provided Nazis technology to turn coal into oil. Then proceeded to supply them with oil when ww2 was in full swing.
Jesus Christ...
Wtf was all that about? Did or did not the USSR invade westward before they themselves were invaded????, plus the subjection and atrocities that went with it? Even after they got thier 'land ' back??
They trained and equipped the nazi war machine what the hell? They made a bed with Hitler and invaded a sovereign nation in move to land grab and got caught with thier silly pants down.
IBM???????????
Duh Hitler mad me invade into Europe and kill thousands of innocent people duh.
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What context???????....what parameters did I set?
Explain what context? They trained, and let them build bloody tanks, and helped to invade Poland.
Another putin bot it seems.
I don't think you're looking at it objectively, it is a silly stance, in the Cuban missile crisis there was a real risk of nuclear war, it was literally during the cold war. It's not a good analogy and doesn't seem at all comparable to worrying about the risk of a European invasion.
He's not some crazy lunatic, he knows full well there isn't a threat of an invasion, he is worried about internal issues and Russia's sphere of influence - he doesn't want the likes of Ukraine and Georgia or even Belarus to become more Western, not because he's paranoid they'll invade but because of how that will further undermine things for him and his cronies at home.
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