Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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NickK said:
Hmm if that is nordstream (a) it looks to have blown out by the peeling back of the metal, (b) it looks very shallow and smaller than I would expect … hmmm..
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A) pipeline ruptures look like that, place a explosive on the side of a pipeline and the secondary pressure release will be greater than the explosion causing it peel outwards.


B) the pipe is 48 inches in diameter pretty much the largest high pressure pipelines go to but it's mop is 100 barg so it can handle the flows required.

The biggest in the UK is 48 inch and it has a similar mop. Plus also the biggest drag valves in Europe
 
Abraxaz1 said:
A) pipeline ruptures look like that, place a explosive on the side of a pipeline and the secondary pressure release will be greater than the explosion causing it peel outwards.


B) the pipe is 48 inches in diameter pretty much the largest high pressure pipelines go to but it's mop is 100 barg so it can handle the flows required.

The biggest in the UK is 48 inch and it has a similar mop. Plus also the biggest drag valves in Europe
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Though the images aren't very clear - some of those edges appear to have machine burring on them :s like they were cut with an angle grinder.
 
Rroff said:
Though there may be other considerations I'm not seeing such as becoming a target themselves - I'm a bit confused there doesn't seem to be stuff like Tunguskas covering the main approaches - they should be capable of intercepting these kind of drones. Maybe they need them all to provide air cover to the front lines though.

Possible there are and they just can't deal with the numbers - but I've not seen anything suggesting they've been used.
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Size of targets and radar I would expect to be an issue.

Arc Royal's recent upgrade make the radar capable of tracking over 2000 tennis ball sized drones (public information). That's not including the radars of the supporting ships.. Only issue is that having large radars defending city become an instant target. It's better to a number of smaller indepdentant systems.

A directional RF/EMP would take out most of the Iranian drones, as most don't have EMI shielding.
 
bingham67 said:
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They probably should have blanked out the windows really - even though there isn't much there probably could geolocate that with the little information there is - even the flooring and type of radiators gives some information to narrow it down. Places like that are likely targets.

EDIT: I should have read the comments - people already commented about the security issues.

EDIT2: Going back to the original source for this it seems it was made available for the media to access and not a permanent location - though does potentially make that location a target.
 
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Minusorange said:
Yes people laugh but it's not as if humans have evolved thicker skins since WW2 that make those rifle less efficient at killing


I wonder what was discussed for such a comment
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The full quote is "beyond belief really the fact we are at a time when these sorts of conversations are necessary" - not quite as ominous as the tabloid reporting of what he said - but still serious.

EDIT: On a kind of related note - as a lot of the articles related to it are talking about nuclear - it seems unlikely to me that Russia would bother using drone attacks, etc. against Kyiv and other targets in Ukraine, if they were planning on using nuclear weapons imminently against such targets - though that doesn't rule out an escalation if they aren't having the desired effect.
 
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tamzzy said:
I highly doubt that drone will stay long in the air once the MG starts spitting lead out
I don't think the drone will be able to absorb the recoil/be stable
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There are comments about those drones and what they'd do for reloading heh - between the potential stability problems, realistic payloads and the kind of way they'd be used I don't think reloading is going to be a huge concern - you'd probably just stick an extended magazine or a belt fed box mag on there anyhow.

Mostly they'd likely be used for effect anyhow so accuracy and so on isn't a big issue - for instance if you've got a dug in hard point stalling your advance you could use one to force them to retreat, etc. with less risk to your forces.

EDIT: When people say machinegun in this context it is probably a stripped down carbine of some type with a belt feed rather than flying in something like a DShK :D
 
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@Rroff I don't think reloading will be an issue as the drone will probably fall out of the sky once the MG is activated lol :cry:
I mean like even the A10's cannon affects the plane's flight characteristics when fired...recoil per unit mass on this MG-drone is much higher and unless equipped with some fantastic engineering/electronics/gyros I can't see the drone being able to maintain flight when the MG is firing
 
tamzzy said:
@Rroff I don't think reloading will be an issue as the drone will probably fall out of the sky once the MG is activated lol :cry:
I mean like even the A10's cannon affects the plane's flight characteristics when fired...recoil per unit mass on this MG-drone is much higher and unless equipped with some fantastic engineering/electronics/gyros I can't see the drone being able to maintain flight when the MG is firing
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The ones with like 10kg payload capacity can handle around half second bursts at 600-700RPM (so around 5 bullet bursts) before it starts to affect their stability, only taking 1-2 seconds to restabilise before you can fire again.
 
Seems easier to use/more effective to keep on spamming grenades though. Could just be my thinking.

I'm sure drones with machine guns will be a thing, but those will be some kick ass drones, not consumer grade kit.
 
HungryHippos said:
Seems easier to use/more effective to keep on spamming grenades though. Could just be my thinking.

I'm sure drones with machine guns will be a thing, but those will be some kick ass drones, not consumer grade kit.
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Some of the higher end consumer kit can cost new car money and designed for things like search and rescue under inclement conditions - dealing with payloads and destabilising effects previously drones wouldn't.
 
HungryHippos said:
Seems easier to use/more effective to keep on spamming grenades though. Could just be my thinking.

I'm sure drones with machine guns will be a thing, but those will be some kick ass drones, not consumer grade kit.
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Advantage with a drone you can put fire on them from angles you can't easily get to and/or which might cause confusion and friendly fire amongst the enemy.
 
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