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Now to smash the **** out of the columns are retreating vehicles - go full Highway of Death on them
Kinda think it won't happen. I doubt Ukraine will risk aircraft to do this. Maybe artillery?

Still just mind blowing that Russia needed to mobilize men for this war, and is still not able to take ground. Just the fact mobilization happened is wild.
 
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I was thinking; say Ukraine push Russia out of their country. What then? We're not going to go back to trading with Russia just because they were kicked out of the country.
Just wondering what the future holds.

Who knows as money does make the world go around unfortunately. However you'd imagine Russians encoony is going to be down the toilet for years to come and has expedited countries plans to ween off Russian gas.
 
I was thinking; say Ukraine push Russia out of their country. What then? We're not going to go back to trading with Russia just because they were kicked out of the country.
Just wondering what the future holds.
If that happens I expect Putin to be gone, hopefully someone decent replaces him and we work from there
 
I was thinking; say Ukraine push Russia out of their country. What then? We're not going to go back to trading with Russia just because they were kicked out of the country.
Just wondering what the future holds.
Nothing much. Lots of contractors get nice contracts to help rebuild parts of Ukraine with EU Funding.
They will keep sanctions in place and maybe try and grind them fully into the ground, doing so hurts N Korea, China etc in making them to weak and in no position on a world stage to help them in any way.
 
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Russian TV says the retreat from Kherson has been a already approved weeks ago but the official announcement had to be delayed till the US midterm election voting closed so the news would not help the Democrats and Biden


LOL, brilliant, as if they think something like that is particularly important for US domestic politics... they totally overvalue their own standing in the world. Like a major deal/Russia agreeing to withdraw etc.. conflict over... sure, that would help Biden a lot and likewise a sudden huge victory like Russia reinvading and taking a chunk of northern Ukraine, encircling Kyiv etc.. that would be very awkward for Biden... but this... I mean it's significant for the conflict and will be very painful in Russia but the average American hasn't even heard of Kherson. At best this just means newspapers in the US can report that things are still progressing well for Ukraine.

As far as the typical US voters are concerned re: these events and Russia:

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Nothing much. Lots of contractors get nice contracts to help rebuild parts of Ukraine with EU Funding.
They will keep sanctions in place and maybe try and grind them fully into the ground, doing so hurts N Korea, China etc in making them to weak and in no position on a world stage to help them in any way.

If Ukraine manage to drive them out of the the occupied regions, Crimea and Ukraine to join NATO, then there is over 1 trillion cubic metres of gas reserves to sell to Europe nicely backed up with security.
 
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I was thinking; say Ukraine push Russia out of their country. What then? We're not going to go back to trading with Russia just because they were kicked out of the country.
Just wondering what the future holds.

The outbreak of multiple wars through the Eastern post-Soviet countries. Armenia-Azerbaijan, all the Stans kicking off, probably violence in Georgia. Russia has been keeping these countries in line, using multiple frozen conflicts as a means to dominate the region. Russia getting humiliated in Ukraine means that's over and their failure to support the CSTO means its basically a joke now. It's going to get ugly.

Trade with Russia will slowly resume in fits and starts - ultimately Russia is too big to ignore and too attractive a market.
 
In Germany it may, I cannot see a huge demand for trade in either direction with the UK. Perhaps with Putin and Medvedev gone and a fledgling democracy in progress.

I think it's naive to think that business won't resume: money talks at the end of the day. Look at all the countries with awful regimes we have good relations with. The UK wasn't doing much trade with Russia before anyway, so I doubt it'll be doing that much after, but countries that were - and, yes, Germany is pretty high up that list - will slowly resume trading. Right now, a lot of companies are voluntarily limiting trade above actual sanctions, that'll roll back in a few years, and formal sanctions will get wound down over time too. I expect the stuff targetting the military will remain in place the longest.
 
I think it's naive to think that business won't resume: money talks at the end of the day. Look at all the countries with awful regimes we have good relations with. The UK wasn't doing much trade with Russia before anyway, so I doubt it'll be doing that much after, but countries that were - and, yes, Germany is pretty high up that list - will slowly resume trading. Right now, a lot of companies are voluntarily limiting trade above actual sanctions, that'll roll back in a few years, and formal sanctions will get wound down over time too. I expect the stuff targetting the military will remain in place the longest.

My only comment is that trade must not be at the expense of security for any European nation. Piling euros into the Russian exchequer will lead ultimately to grief again while Russia acts like a world power with rights to its fiefdoms.
 
In Germany it may, I cannot see a huge demand for trade in either direction with the UK. Perhaps with Putin and Medvedev gone and a fledgling democracy in progress.
It would be great if there was popular uprising and some real democracy but if you read a lot about the history of Russia, it has been ruled by absolute tyrants for over 400 years. It would take a lot to change this as its the norm. My worry is Putin gets the bullet and his replacement is even more evil.
 
The outbreak of multiple wars through the Eastern post-Soviet countries. Armenia-Azerbaijan, all the Stans kicking off, probably violence in Georgia. Russia has been keeping these countries in line, using multiple frozen conflicts as a means to dominate the region. Russia getting humiliated in Ukraine means that's over and their failure to support the CSTO means its basically a joke now. It's going to get ugly.

Trade with Russia will slowly resume in fits and starts - ultimately Russia is too big to ignore and too attractive a market.
A market for selling into maybe but it's not worth it beyond that.
 
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