Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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We would need ground forces though to force it that quickly although the Ukrainian's would probably fill that role. Just remember Serbia got pounded for over a month with air strikes and weren't ready to give up. In the end it took intervention from the Russians/Yeltsin to get them to back down.
A much more fierce bombing campaign and eventual ground invasion was in the works had Milosevic not acceded to a plan that Russia had agreed was acceptable plus the rather reasonable terms of said agreement would have been thrown out with the aim of overrunning Belgrade.
 
One thing made obvious by all this is that the West doesn't have sufficient capacity for the rapid production of munitions. It's only sensible to ensure capability is substantially increased for the future.
Perhaps it's also regarding not letting China see US low on ammo.

it's only 155mm2 artillery that's particularly low because the US has sent Ukraine nearly a million shells. The US has focused its budgets over the years heavily into defence and powerful projection and that means budget ends up in planes and ships and in that aspect it's over powered. The US hasn't being particularly focused on large ground war preparations over the last 30 years because it's only had to engage in relatively small offensives which were still mostly supported by air.

This latest war has shown that ground offensives in Europe still operate a lot like WW2 and that means you need lots of artillery so the US is investing again into its production. The US doesn't need extra production for its own defence or even for power projection against China; but to deter Russia it would be wise to ensure Ukraine and the Europeans in general are heavily supplied with more weapons and ammo than Russia has


And speaking of ground equipment; the first Korean tanks and artillery guns are arriving this week in Poland. And Korea will be supplying Poland with 300 MLRS launchers; Poland originally asked for 500 HIMARS but US production of the system is too slow for Poland so they decided to change it to 200 HIMARS and asked Korea to sell them 300 MLRS
 
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Showing a bit of inexperience there - seems they were still locked on the signature and fired a 3rd time into the ground still tracking it.

I noticed that too; it targeted the rocket as it went past the horizon and shot rounds into the ground. Is is a crew issue or system issue?
 
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I noticed that too; it targeted the rocket as it went past the horizon and shot rounds into the ground. Is is a crew issue or system issue?

My guess would be inexperience - possibly the crew used to feature(s) or mechanics on Soviet designs which is different or doesn't exist on other designs, etc.
 
On the ammunition production front I think aside from the capacity to continue supporting Ukraine, and subsequently build the stockpile of ammo back up to restore direct Western warfighting capacity this could be seen as preparation for future proxy wars. If say some Asian country was invaded by Russia or some other threatening power and that turned into an extended conflict the West needs to be able to sustain support to them too, and we've seen how vital artillery systems are.

Hope they'll be firing up production lines for new MANPADS and portable anti tank missiles too, having seen how important they are as rapidly deployable tools to help infantry defend against armoured & aerial attacks.

Ukraine has probably given planners a lot of food for thought in terms of preparation for future war scenarios, seeing how important artillery still is, how drones & loitering munitions perform in large scale wars, effectiveness of AA missiles at denying air superiority, and just how much ammunition gets used up in extended combat.
 
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On the ammunition production front I think aside from the capacity to continue supporting Ukraine, and subsequently build the stockpile of ammo back up to restore direct Western warfighting capacity this could be seen as preparation for future proxy wars. If say some Asian country was invaded by Russia or some other threatening power and that turned into an extended conflict the West needs to be able to sustain support to them too, and we've seen how vital artillery systems are.

Hope they'll be firing up production lines for new MANPADS and portable anti tank missiles too, having seen how important they are as rapidly deployable tools to help infantry defend against armoured & aerial attacks.

Ukraine has probably given planners a lot of food for thought in terms of preparation for future war scenarios, seeing how important artillery still is, how drones & loitering munitions perform in large scale wars, effectiveness of AA missiles at denying air superiority, and just how much ammunition gets used up in extended combat.

Sadly I think some of the lessons will be short lived.
 
On the ammunition production front I think aside from the capacity to continue supporting Ukraine, and subsequently build the stockpile of ammo back up to restore direct Western warfighting capacity this could be seen as preparation for future proxy wars. If say some Asian country was invaded by Russia or some other threatening power and that turned into an extended conflict the West needs to be able to sustain support to them too, and we've seen how vital artillery systems are.

Hope they'll be firing up production lines for new MANPADS and portable anti tank missiles too, having seen how important they are as rapidly deployable tools to help infantry defend against armoured & aerial attacks.

Ukraine has probably given planners a lot of food for thought in terms of preparation for future war scenarios, seeing how important artillery still is, how drones & loitering munitions perform in large scale wars, effectiveness of AA missiles at denying air superiority, and just how much ammunition gets used up in extended combat.
The MoD and government has most definitely not learned anything from this.

One question is how good the air defence systems would be against western radiation missiles and f-35's etc.

Israel has shown it can penetrate those Soviet era defences with west tech.
 
The MoD and government has most definitely not learned anything from this.

One question is how good the air defence systems would be against western radiation missiles and f-35's etc.

Israel has shown it can penetrate those Soviet era defences with west tech.

I would say that government and the MOD, military intelligence has learned reams of stuff in the last nine months. The trick is to put it into practice and arm intelligently.
Apparently Russian tech and tactics have evolved little since the end of the cold war. In fact they may be worse. Once again we need to out spend the 'soviets' bringing down their empire through lack of currency and the people's desire to end tyranny.
 
Chance of seeing a T14 or SU57 is very slim. Not only doesn't Russia have money to replace any lost units, these are supposed to be drivers of arms sales, if they fail on the battlefield before any country has bout in a big order for units them the entire program becomes a failure.

Can you imagine if they field a few T14's and they all get blown up by Javelins. Then they can forget about India ever ordering any and the program will die because Russia's military doesn't have the money to keep production going without export sales
 
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New British intelligence update focusing on the airbase attack
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This explains the conundrum yesterday: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...howing-attacks-similar.18582449/post-36058991

If it was a "drone" then why the missile sound on the video and if it were a missile (storm shadow etc..) isn't it a little bit too far 600km+ range to this target vs 560km for storm shadow + NATO being against long-range NATO weapons being used in attacks on Russian territory.

The Tu-141 has a turbojet engine thus the sound on the video footage and I presume that Ukraine has added GPS in addition to a warhead to turn it into a sort of ad-hoc cruise missile.

I guess this crash in March was a Ukrainian test flight of this new weapon system gone wrong:


 
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Chance of seeing a T14 or SU57 is very slim. Not only doesn't Russia have money to replace any lost units, these are supposed to be drivers of arms sales, if they fail on the battlefield before any country has bout in a big order for units them the entire program becomes a failure.

Can you imagine if they field a few T14's and they all get blown up by Javelins. Then they can forget about India ever ordering any and the program will die because Russia's military doesn't have the money to keep production going without export sales

If they lose even 1 SU57, they wont sell any at all.
 
Seems the target was the out doors stored missiles for the upcoming attack - the drone / crusie missed at the north but hit the ammo in the south
 
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