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kindai said:
On a negative side also, it has highlighted deficiencies in NATOs stocks and some of its equipments performance if we ever ended up in a slogging match.

Granted that being on the "winning side" so to speak means we can learn and plug those deficiencies quite easily, but it has highlighted issues that need to be addressed. Particularly if the likes of China decide they want some action.
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See it as a positive. Far better it gets highlighted in this way!
 
kindai said:
On a negative side also, it has highlighted deficiencies in NATOs stocks and some of its equipments performance if we ever ended up in a slogging match.

Granted that being on the "winning side" so to speak means we can learn and plug those deficiencies quite easily, but it has highlighted issues that need to be addressed. Particularly if the likes of China decide they want some action.
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Last report I saw a week or so ago was that NATO was nowhere near actually running out. more like their reserves were needing replenishing. That's a big difference. Also, many of the weapons given to Ukraine were reaching their "use by" date so it was either give them to Ukraine or dispose of them. It should be remembered hat the US defense budget is costed, and ammo stocks kept to be able to fight two major conventional wars at opposite sides of the world simultaneously. Anything above that is "reserves"
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Looking at those numbers and previously reported numbers all the loses are in manpower rather then equipment. I get the feeling Russia is holding back a lot of it's armour for a big offensive in the new year.
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They've been holding back their armour/air force/best troops for a very long time now......
 
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You do know their best tank the T-90 (just a rebadged T-72) has had its ass handed to it multiple times already?

One of the first was deleted by a Carl Gustav recoilless rifle first developed just after ww2 and is really considered surplus to NATO nowadays.

They also have to consider internal security and their current build rate. If pushed they might be able to make 15 basic tanks per month (minus the advanced optics). They are done they just aren't accepting it yet.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Looking at those numbers and previously reported numbers all the loses are in manpower rather then equipment. I get the feeling Russia is holding back a lot of it's armour for a big offensive in the new year.
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Maybe, although it is "mud season" so tanks would be playing a minor role anyway and most fighting is around entrenched positions where their role is reduced. So I wouldn't read too much into it.

I also wonder how much Russia really has left to throw into the grinder.
 
Minstadave said:
They've been holding back their armour/air force/best troops for a very long time now......
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I don't know about 'best troops' but armour can't move around at the moment due to the mud. Where I was going was the current conditions gives Russia time to move old gear from it's stockpiles and bring it upto the front ready for a new assault in the winter once the ground has hardened.
 
Freddie1980 said:
I don't know about 'best troops' but armour can't move around at the moment due to the mud. Where I was going was the current conditions gives Russia time to move old gear from it's stockpiles and bring it upto the front ready for a new assault in the winter once the ground has hardened.
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They don't have the competence with logistics to support a large armoured assault even if they can utilise their stockpiles (its dubious that much of their stockpile is in usable condition).

Ukraine being flat and the large amount of very effective anti armour weapons makes armour of limited usefulness.
 
Any significant gathering of these mythical reserve tanks is going to attract some attention from HIMARS the moment they're in range. Its pretty clear UA are getting the best satellite intelligence available.
 
Mr Jack said:
I think you're misunderstanding what @Freddie1980 is saying. I do not believe he's repeating a variation on that old myth.
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I re-read what I had posted and in hindsight I wasn't specific enough with my wording (inaccurate maybe a better way of putting it). What I was getting at was Russia's existing/remaining armour looks like it's been held back from front line work so it can be used for a new offensive in the new year once the ground is firmer and can support heavy units. When you look at the attrition rate manpower is still high whereas equipment loses have declined.

I could be wrong though Russia may be at a point where they are running out of serviable tanks to use in frontline combat but given the stockpiles of it keeps in reserve I'm not optimistic.
 
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Former head of Russian Space Agency was having a meeting in Donetsk hotel and got shelled. He's wounded and several others killed. He is an avid supporter of the invasion.
 
rumple9 said:
China's military is notoriously weak also
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For now, China's playing the long game, they're watching, learning, and taking copious notes, this conflict and the wests response to it will shape Chinese military doctrine for decades to come, & i can't help but think that the Chinese aren't supporting or helping the Russians as much as they could do, after all this is done & dusted Russia will be consiberably weaker not just militarily but also on the world stage, which is some thing that would suit China's world view & ambitions immensely.
 
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