Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alchal said:
We don't have many and we are building nothing unfortunately, old ones are getting an upgrade, about 140?
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The scary thing is our potential enemies (ie China & Russia) in a major war would be perfectly fine with losing that amount in a few months to a month, we just simply don't have the infrastructure like we had during WW2 to manufacture our own equipment on the scale required during war which a lot of people forget
 
Custor said:
No idea what was meant to be there or even if it was the target.
You know it was though?

As the Ukraine doesn't allow reporting of military damage and ONLY reports hits on civilians targets, then you'll have to inform me of the ratio of civilian structures hit versus military.
If you only report misses by the enemy and only report hits by yourselves it somewhat skews the data set.

Modern ordenance is very expensive. Too expensive to blow up random civilian structures that aren't going to help win you the war.
Are missile shortages not a thing now?
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Still in Putin's pocket I see. Bless.
 
Cooper said:
There's always one....
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Yeap, always one to remind people that war is hell on civilians no matter who kills them, us or "the enemy".

smallstool said:
The russians have been blowing up random civilian structures from the first day of the war! :mad:
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As it's random maybe it's because it more likely that this is random event, rather than a deliberate action i.e random failures in missile guidance sections so they miss their intended target, random failures in rocket motors so they don't go as far and fall out the sky landing anywhere, random failures in Intel which targets the wrong building co-ordinates, random UA jamming of GLOSNASS/GPS which causes missile to go off target, UA shooting down a missile which crashes to earth afterwards etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Is that possibly more realistic rather than the current belief by many that every single Russian missile which hits an apartment/hospital/school etc is working 100% perfectly and therefore they are individually being pin-point targetted specifically at apartment blocks by some moustachio twirling "orcs" and that these missiles. once programmed by these cartoon villains never, ever miss.

We know how expensive and limited these missiles are and everyone, including Russia, knows that bombing civilians just doesn't work to change a military outcome on the ground. So why would the Russians deliberately waste a number of an already limited availability weapons to deliberately target an apartment block when they know if does nothing other than gain even more help for Ukraine, actively hurting Russia's military aims - does that sound like a "good idea" that Russian officers in a HQ somewhere would be high fiving after coming up with, or is it more likely something else, something less deliberate and more likely to be an "error" somewhere in the chain instead?

I know that doesn't feed into the current "RuZZia Bad, Poo-Tin, Evil Orcs" narrative that soooo many feed off in this thread but sometimes poop happens and, as in my top comment, it is always civilians who come off worst in war and it always will be that way, thats just life sadly.
 
Seems an accurate assessment of Bakhmut/Soledar albeit 24-48 hours behind current:

militaryland.net said:
  • Wagner mercenaries, based on released footage, captured the northern residential area and the center of Soledar. Ukrainian forces remain in control of the western outskirts of the town.
  • Ukrainian President Zelensky thanks 46th Airmobile Brigade and 77th Airmobile Brigade for the defense of Soledar.
  • The enemy attempted to advance towards Sil, but the attack was repelled.
  • Ukrainian forces repulsed a Russian assault towards Krasna Hora.
  • Wagner mercenaries captured most of Pidhorne and attacked towards Paraskoviivka. They didn’t succeed, but the situation remains complicated.
  • Another attack in the area of Klishchiivka was successfully repelled.
  • A dangerous situation is developing south of the previously mentioned towns, as Russian forces attempted to break through Ukrainian lines towards Predtechyne. The attempt was stopped, but it is clear that the enemy controls most of the area between Klishchiivka and Kurdyumivka.
  • Ukrainian defenders repelled a Russian attack from the direction of Kurdyumivka and Mayorsk.
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militaryland.net

Invasion Day 324 – Summary | MilitaryLand.net

The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the last 48 hours, as of 13th January 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). includes the area of between Oskil and Aydar river Svatove…
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ianh said:
We know how expensive and limited these missiles are and everyone, including Russia, knows that bombing civilians just doesn't work to change a military outcome on the ground. So why would the Russians deliberately waste a number of an already limited availability weapons to deliberately target an apartment block when they know if does nothing other than gain even more help for Ukraine, actively hurting Russia's military aims - does that sound like a "good idea" that Russian officers in a HQ somewhere would be high fiving after coming up with, or is it more likely something else, something less deliberate and more likely to be an "error" somewhere in the chain instead?
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There are many in Russia's command who still favour intimidation tactics and using them against civilians - though I largely agree that for the most part Russia is aiming cruise missiles and the likes against military and infrastructure targets but they certainly aren't against indiscriminate targetting of civilians.
 
ianh said:
Yeap, always one to remind people that war is hell on civilians no matter who kills them, us or "the enemy".



As it's random maybe it's because it more likely that this is random event, rather than a deliberate action i.e random failures in missile guidance sections so they miss their intended target, random failures in rocket motors so they don't go as far and fall out the sky landing anywhere, random failures in Intel which targets the wrong building co-ordinates, random UA jamming of GLOSNASS/GPS which causes missile to go off target, UA shooting down a missile which crashes to earth afterwards etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Is that possibly more realistic rather than the current belief by many that every single Russian missile which hits an apartment/hospital/school etc is working 100% perfectly and therefore they are individually being pin-point targetted specifically at apartment blocks by some moustachio twirling "orcs" and that these missiles. once programmed by these cartoon villains never, ever miss.

We know how expensive and limited these missiles are and everyone, including Russia, knows that bombing civilians just doesn't work to change a military outcome on the ground. So why would the Russians deliberately waste a number of an already limited availability weapons to deliberately target an apartment block when they know if does nothing other than gain even more help for Ukraine, actively hurting Russia's military aims - does that sound like a "good idea" that Russian officers in a HQ somewhere would be high fiving after coming up with, or is it more likely something else, something less deliberate and more likely to be an "error" somewhere in the chain instead?

I know that doesn't feed into the current "RuZZia Bad, Poo-Tin, Evil Orcs" narrative that soooo many feed off in this thread but sometimes poop happens and, as in my top comment, it is always civilians who come off worst in war and it always will be that way, thats just life sadly.
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"As it's random maybe it's because it more likely that this is random event, rather than a deliberate action" - just about every missile, rocket etc. they aim and fire hits a civilian target. On the battlefield they have fired millions of shells.
 
Rroff said:
There are many in Russia's command who still favour intimidation tactics and using them against civilians - though I largely agree that for the most part Russia is aiming cruise missiles and the likes against military and infrastructure targets but they certainly aren't against indiscriminate targetting of civilians.
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Yeap I 100% agree with you there, but they also don't use their very limited selection of "advanced" weaponry to do that, they use arty, unguided 122/240/300mm rockets, mortars, tanks etc to do that, they leave their advanced missiles for things far behind friendly lines like power stations, military buildings etc rather than a block of flats which is just a waste of a missile "if deliberately targetted".

smallstool said:
"As it's random maybe it's because it more likely that this is random event, rather than a deliberate action" - just about every missile, rocket etc. they aim and fire hits a civilian target. On the battlefield they have fired millions of shells.
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See above, we're talking about specific, limited availability air/ship launched missiles costing millions.
 
ianh said:
Yeap I 100% agree with you there, but they also don't use their very limited selection of "advanced" weaponry to do that, they use arty, unguided 122/240/300mm rockets, mortars, tanks etc to do that, they leave their advanced missiles for things far behind friendly lines like power stations, military buildings etc rather than a block of flats which is just a waste of a missile "if deliberately targetted".



See above, we're talking about specific, limited availability air/ship launched missiles costing millions.
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I know we are - the russians think its worth it to frighten the Ukrainian population.
 
Minusorange said:
The scary thing is our potential enemies (ie China & Russia) in a major war would be perfectly fine with losing that amount in a few months to a month, we just simply don't have the infrastructure like we had during WW2 to manufacture our own equipment on the scale required during war which a lot of people forget
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Because the west relies on the US.

Moan when they spend all their money on weapons yet without them ....
 
Custor said:
But you know they are as you work for the Russians know what's being targeted?
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Bingo, they must have horrendous targeting data or systems then as they have a 99% ratio for hitting non military target's...

You clutch them straws krembotski
 
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ianh said:
Yeap I 100% agree with you there, but they also don't use their very limited selection of "advanced" weaponry to do that, they use arty, unguided 122/240/300mm rockets, mortars, tanks etc to do that, they leave their advanced missiles for things far behind friendly lines like power stations, military buildings etc rather than a block of flats which is just a waste of a missile "if deliberately targetted".



See above, we're talking about specific, limited availability air/ship launched missiles costing millions.
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LoL talking about millions wasted....the entire special op is billions wasted.

They don't care.
 
Minusorange said:
The scary thing is our potential enemies (ie China & Russia) in a major war would be perfectly fine with losing that amount in a few months to a month, we just simply don't have the infrastructure like we had during WW2 to manufacture our own equipment on the scale required during war which a lot of people forget
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The UK can still manufacture and it wouldn't take long to switch the SME to a war footing and none of know the stock levels.
 
muon said:
I remember early on in this thread that there were apologists claiming Russia obviously wasn't deliberately hitting civilian targets.
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I honestly don't think they care if they do.

If they shot off five rounds, one hit a military target and the others civilians, they'd be content with that.

I've said a few times on here: they have a different mindset, so applying your standard is pointless.
 
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