Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
I can't see any good ways this war ends really - short of the Russian people rising up against Putin which is unlikely or Putin being disposed of in some way and someone with a different mindset taking over - but that is pretty unlikely as well - and even if he was disposed by some internal power play or died of natural causes those most likely to take over appear to be of a similar mindset so no guarantee of any change.

Russia could go "all in" with what they currently have, very unlikely though due to how paranoid Putin is and the actual state of their armed forces compared to on paper likely means it would be far from guaranteed to result in some kind of victory for Russia. (Contrary to the perception people often have with this situation Russia still has around 335,000 regular land forces and all the equipment/supplies for them which is tasked for various other duties than Ukraine, as well as other branches of the military).

Ukraine needs a vast amount of mobile artillery, tanks and mobile air-defences along with the trained personnel to use them to have a chance of any kind of decisive outcome.

Most likely we'll see an ever increasing industrial and military mobilisation in Russia, turning the country into something with parallels to North Korea, until they either win through attrition or utterly exhaust the ability to fight.

Or someone screws up and we end up escalating to a major war.
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More mistakes are inevitable with such a large conflict right in the middle of Europe and that's ignoring the 'mistakes' that are probably intentional.
 
should just keep seizing Russian money across the globe. Legitimately or not turn up the financial screws even further. It might not affect putin but will affect plenty of others who may just take direct action against him
 
The west shouldn't be worried about the cost of helping Ukraine, Russia can pay for it. The west already has $750 billion of Russian money seized, plus a few billion more in yachts, houses and cars. That's enough to send a lot of equipment to ukraine. So if the west needs to produce more weapons then get on it, Russia is covering the tab
 
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Rroff said:
Unfortunately not sure Putin will have a change of heart, his more recent actions/words seem intent on seeing it through to the bitter end - maybe brinkmanship in the hope that others will lose conviction before he does but that isn't the feeling I'm getting. Even from fairly early on he was scuppering any chance of peaceful negotiated outcomes which others in the Russian government attempted such as the talks in Turkey.
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Putin will never end the war until he will have piece of Ukraine no other options, it will look like he lost.
 
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Minusorange said:
Don't think they've used any of their stock of hypersonics until today, it's mostly the other missiles they've been running out of since about April last year but obviously the Western intel on Russian stockpiles of missiles isn't all that great if they're still doing almost weekly missile strikes on non critical targets just for fun
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Id hazard a guess and say that in this conflict, the oldest stock have been used first. Why use modern expensive long range armaments at the start of an engagement when you have 60 years of stockpiles to fire first.
 
ICDP said:
Did you actually read the details posted on news sites about the missile that was used? If you had you would realise your post is just pure idiotic nonsense. And so was the one you quoted.
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I quoted the original poster who mentioned Hypersonic Missiles, keep your froth to yourself and wind your neck in.
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Id hazard a guess and say that in this conflict, the oldest stock have been used first. Why use modern expensive long range armaments at the start of an engagement when you have 60 years of stockpiles to fire first.
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Yeah no - this was covered last year, they sued the very latest and best at teh start and are now struggling to ramp up
 
Russian Defence Ministry:
- Russian Forces Carried Out Missile Strikes Against Ukrainian Targets Over Last 24 Hours
- Russian Missiles Hit All Identified Targets
- Russian Forces Have Made Gains Towards Ukrainian City of Bakhmut

Putin:
- Everything With ‘Special Military Operation’ Is Going to Plan
- I Hope Russian Soldiers Will Deliver More Results on Battlefield
- Economic Situation in Russia Is Stable, Much Better Than Forecasts
- Inflation in Q1 2023 May Approach 5%
 
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Rroff said:
Russia could go "all in" with what they currently have, very unlikely though due to how paranoid Putin is and the actual state of their armed forces compared to on paper likely means it would be far from guaranteed to result in some kind of victory for Russia. (Contrary to the perception people often have with this situation Russia still has around 335,000 regular land forces and all the equipment/supplies for them which is tasked for various other duties than Ukraine, as well as other branches of the military).

Snip.
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What happens if Russia, a police state, sends the police/regular arned forces "all in" Ukraine? Chaos imo.
 
Harlequin said:
So the VDV are now `riot police`? Pretty sure they would disagree at this point
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Those VDV are probably mostly dead at this point so cant agree or disagree.

Russia did genuinely send Riot Police:

www.google.com

'Sent as cannon fodder:' Video appears to show a Siberian governor being confronted by relatives of a Russian riot police unit sent into Ukraine

"They lied to everyone. They deceived everyone," says a woman off-screen in a video shared by Radio Free Europe.
www.google.com www.google.com

A column was decimated in the early part of the war.
 
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Do we know what the ground conditions are like in Ukraine right now? We are not seeing alto of movement from them I was wondering if they are waiting for better weather or are they just putting a lot of effort into defending?
 
Harlequin said:
Soviets could have been aiming for the hospital on the far left
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Which should be a war crime really. It is however still a violation of international humanitarian law. Just nothing happens about it.

I would also suggest that the variation in target aimed at and what they hit is or reasonable distance and since defence minister for Russia said all identified targets hit then you have

A) they were aiming at just a civilian target and hit it
B) not aiming or targeting the hospital since it wasn't hit at all and thus was crime
C) they lying and didn't hit all targets but then omit to war crimes with said lie because both can't be true

In which case if they should still be investigated for war crimes if they are going to use propaganda that they are hitting exactly what they want to.
 
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