Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[ianh]

I know, it's almost like seeing over 250,000 dead and wounded soldiers plus tens of thousands of dead civilians makes people want to stop the killing rather than think it's better to keep the killing going, the weirdos!

As always, my usual disclaimer that "THIS IS ALL RUSSIA'S FAULT AND THEY SHOULD LEAVE" still stands, which you have to add nowadays because otherwise the hate-filled "progressive" members of OcUK who have fetishised Russian deaths (but would never join a Ukrainian volunteer force) will call me pro-Russian, yet again.

Your stance seems very pro-Russian to me, because what you often wind up saying equates to "Ukraine should stop fighting". You presumably don't spend equal time on Russian speaking forums asking them to stop the war in Ukraine to save lives?

You are just unintelligent! My post does not, has not, and cannot be interpreted to ever say what you claim my post said, ever!

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I know, it's almost like seeing over 250,000 dead and wounded soldiers plus tens of thousands of dead civilians makes people want to stop the killing rather than think it's better to keep the killing going, the weirdos!

As always, my usual disclaimer that "THIS IS ALL RUSSIA'S FAULT AND THEY SHOULD LEAVE" still stands, which you have to add nowadays because otherwise the hate-filled "progressive" members of OcUK who have fetishised Russian deaths (but would never join a Ukrainian volunteer force) will call me pro-Russian, yet again.

I'm sure Ukrainians will be humbled by your willingness for them to give up their own land just to put an end to the war. Ridiculous. None of this is Ukraine's doing and if they wish to reclaim all of their territory then you bet we should all be 100% behind them.

You do not understand plain, simple English! My post does not, has not, and cannot be interpreted to ever say what you claim my post said, ever!

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I know, it's almost like seeing over 250,000 dead and wounded soldiers plus tens of thousands of dead civilians makes people want to stop the killing rather than think it's better to keep the killing going, the weirdos!

As always, my usual disclaimer that "THIS IS ALL RUSSIA'S FAULT AND THEY SHOULD LEAVE" still stands, which you have to add nowadays because otherwise the hate-filled "progressive" members of OcUK who have fetishised Russian deaths (but would never join a Ukrainian volunteer force) will call me pro-Russian, yet again.

Not pro russian, you just don't seem to recognise that Ukrainians want to kick Russia out and reclaim thier lands and....well, payback for Mariupol and all the other atrocities they have committed.

You are simply incorrect! My post does not, has not, and cannot be interpreted to ever say what you claim my post said, ever!

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As always I even said some people would be too busy angrily typing to understand the plain simple English in my post and would therefore say -

I know, it's almost like seeing over 250,000 dead and wounded soldiers plus tens of thousands of dead civilians makes people want to stop the killing rather than think it's better to keep the killing going, the weirdos!

As always, my usual disclaimer that "THIS IS ALL RUSSIA'S FAULT AND THEY SHOULD LEAVE" still stands, which you have to add nowadays because otherwise the hate-filled "progressive" members of OcUK who have fetishised Russian deaths (but would never join a Ukrainian volunteer force) will call me pro-Russian, yet again.

It gets boring to be able to predict these people so well but hey, they just can't help themselves. Anyway, they aren't worth a single further second of my time (or derailing the thread) so when they see this post, get angry, if they decide to even post more incorrect statements about me, despite my quoted posts being unchanged since they were posted, I'll ignore them, its for the best for everyone I feel.

*edited to alter a word which may have led to a temporary ban.

 

[HungryHippos]

So what is your point @ianh ?

People dying is bad? yes that is self-evident and doesn't really need to be said.

What are you trying to say here? Spell it out. Be clear and don't try adding disclaimers to your posts so you can add sarcasm or misconstrue what you say.

 

[alchal]

Just seen a video of a Russian attack..wow, they really do throw bodies at it, they are all over the place...

Dead.

Nothing changed from ww2 doctrine wise for them has it.

just so I understand:
Russia invading Ukraine - bad
Israel unprovoked attack on Iran - fine?

You must be a tad short of brain cells if you think that Iran getting a nuke is ok.

They do nothing but cause instability and threaten nuclear Armageddon upon Israel.

Whataboutism.

 

[Turn]

*Russia Orders Latvian Envoy to Leave Country Within Two Weeks - Statement

Ukraine’s PM:
- Ukraine Will Need Additional $17 bln in Financing This Year for Energy Repairs, De-Mining and Infrastructure Recovery
- Five High-Voltage Substations Were Hit During Russian Air Attacks on Thursday

 

[Stumble Bum]

So what is your point @ianh ?

People dying is bad? yes that is self-evident and doesn't really need to be said.

What are you trying to say here? Spell it out. Be clear and don't try adding disclaimers to your posts so you can add sarcasm or misconstrue what you say.

He just doesn't seem to understand does he. You can't want to simply end the war for the sake of peace but conveniently ignore the consequence that Ukraine would lose all the land occupied by Russia. He only wants to look at half the picture and not worry about the consequences of what peace right now would mean for actually mean for Ukraine and the rest of Europe for that matter.

@ianh just ignores this point every time.

 

[potatolord]

Xi has warned Putin in no circumstances can he use Nukes, he's not going against his biggest ally, nukes are off the table.

If they are so off the table, why is the US not supplying modern jets and long range missiles that can hit Russian territory?

Why is the US being careful to not put their troops in ukraine?

Maybe they are more informed than you and me?

 

[XPE]

That might be about to change.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618996005420302338

 

[Turn]

German Defence Minister Pistorius:
- 100 bln EUR Special Fund for Military Is Not Enough - Sueddeutsche Zeitung
- Defence Stocks Need Replenishing After Weapons and Tank Deliveries to Ukraine
- In Short-Term, Germany Not in a Position to Cover Its Needs
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/leopard-2-ukraine-krieg-1.5740687

 

[Scougar]

He just doesn't seem to understand does he. You can't want to simply end the war for the sake of peace but conveniently ignore the consequence that Ukraine would lose all the land occupied by Russia. He only wants to look at half the picture and not worry about the consequences of what peace right now would mean for actually mean for Ukraine and the rest of Europe for that matter.

@ianh just ignores this point every time.

Not to mention, Russia would see this as a win, and then just do it all again knowing in the end, people will cave.

 

[bris]

If they are so off the table, why is the US not supplying modern jets and long range missiles that can hit Russian territory?

Why is the US being careful to not put their troops in ukraine?

Maybe they are more informed than you and me?

If you don't know why they are not supplying long range missiles to hit Russia or putting troops on the ground then maybe you should google it to find out.

No one ever said they will not supply modern jets.

It's pretty well known why they will not supply Missiles to hit inside Russia.

I'm saying they're off the table (nukes) because Xi said so. granted he could ignore him but that would alienate him from China so its not going to happen.

 

[robgmun]

If they are so off the table, why is the US not supplying modern jets and long range missiles that can hit Russian territory?

Why is the US being careful to not put their troops in ukraine?

Because the other side of the coin holds true. If the US is too aggressive and does the above, China might change its stance and get involved. It's a very fine line and so far the West have been balancing it very well.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

If they are so off the table, why is the US not supplying modern jets and long range missiles that can hit Russian territory?

Why is the US being careful to not put their troops in ukraine?

Because US is not at war with Russia?

Supporting an ally to defend themselves, and being actually at war is quite a difference.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

That might be about to change.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618996005420302338

That’ll be the next big delivery from nato after tanks. No doubt the Ukrainians are being trained on all this stuff ready. We’re too heavily invested now. It’s also an excellent opportunity to update our arsenal and strengthen the eastern countries.

China must be hating this, it just plays into western hands too well.

I love the F16, such a beautiful sight.

 

[potatolord]

Because the other side of the coin holds true. If the US is too aggressive and does the above, China might change its stance and get involved. It's a very fine line and so far the West have been balancing it very well.

That's a fair point.

 

[ubersonic]

Nothing changed from ww2 doctrine wise for them has it.

Actually it has, for the worse.

The whole "Russia only beat Germany due to having a massive massive army" is mostly a myth, they didn't get that gigantic mobilisation running properly until the Germans were already running home.

They actually beat them back with a manpower disadvantage, through superior use of tactics and a flood of supplies from the west including weapons, equipment and even entire trains.

So I guess the only thing that's really changed since WW2 is that this time the Russia are playing the role of Germany and Ukraine are playing the role of the USSR haha.

 

[Gregvivi0401]

That’ll be the next big delivery from nato after tanks. No doubt the Ukrainians are being trained on all this stuff ready. We’re too heavily invested now. It’s also an excellent opportunity to update our arsenal and strengthen the eastern countries.

China must be hating this, it just plays into western hands too well.

I love the F16, such a beautiful sight.

This will be interesting F16 against Russian fighters especially SU 57.

 

[Felon]

This will be interesting F16 against Russian fighters especially SU 57.

I don't think it's really the planes or hardware which would decide the airwar with Russia, but more the training.

Russian pilots get hardly any training at all compared to NATO forces. If the US or NATO train and mentor the Ukrainian pilots to the same/similar level (which would make good sense) then I imagine F16s armed with NATO air-to-air missiles, would wipe the floor with the Russians.

 

[Gregvivi0401]

Actually it has, for the worse.

The whole "Russia only beat Germany due to having a massive massive army" is mostly a myth, they didn't get that gigantic mobilisation running properly until the Germans were already running home.

They actually beat them back with a manpower disadvantage, through superior use of tactics and a flood of supplies from the west including weapons, equipment and even entire trains.

So I guess the only thing that's really changed since WW2 is that this time the Russia are playing the role of Germany and Ukraine are playing the role of the USSR haha.

Another key point was winter if one month earlier Hitler would invade this will be different story. They stop so close to Moscow.

 

[Turn]

Ukraine says pilots would need six months for F-16 combat training

Ukraine said on Friday it would take its pilots about half a year to train for combat in Western fighter jets such as U.S. F-16s, as Kyiv steps up its campaign to secure fourth-generation warplanes in the wake of Russia's invasion last February.

www.reuters.com

Zelenskiy:
- The Situation at the Front Remains Extremely Acute, Particularly in the Donetsk Region
- Russians Are Not Just Storming Ukrainian Positions, They Are Destroying Towns and Villages Around Them

 

[hillbilly2]

This will be interesting F16 against Russian fighters especially SU 57.

Hardly any SU 57 planes have been made it think, like literally a handful.