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Sityeuropa clearly not understanding how Russian mentality works. If Ukraine negotiates, then Russia sees this as a justified success. In a few years they will just rinse and repeat. Any negotiation needs to be on Ukraine's terms IMO.

I would suggest if anything they deny the black sea territory to Russia as a big **** you.
 
Scougar said:
Those figures don't even cover the Wagner loses where they admit they have something like 4/5's of their men dead. The figures are as you say, pure fiction.

Defending typically results in significantly less casualties, and Russia often struggles to take ground with massive waves of me. This in itself also suggests MASSIVE losses for the Russians. Any Ukrainian large push to date, has been fast and effective, meaning successful and likely limited casualties as not drawn out.

Both sides are surely taking thousands of losses, but I know who's taking the most. If they weren't, Ukraine would already be Russian by now.
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Whilst I think the numbers are just flat out fabrications I would not whatsoever be shocked to find out if they've included anyone dying on the side of the 'pro'-Russia statelets that have never at any point in time been anything other than extensions of Russian imperial ambitions as Ukrainian losses. Oh and of course civilians too because they're all soldiers if they support being free of Russian colonialism and tyranny so they're immediately considered as what Russia defines as a 'Nazi' (anyone who disagrees with Russian imperialism... that is literally all it is, no additional complexity required) thus being seen essentially as a combatant.

The saddest part of this is that these very same people have endlessly moaned for years that the discombobulated blob that they characterise as the 'left' wants to act precisely in this manner (I should add that similarly for those in this minority left-wing groupage who share the same opinion for their own mischaracterised blob on the right)... but it's suddenly totally fine if Russia does it? If nothing else it just confirms that they'd roll over if it ever happened.
 
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Allnamestaken said:
Literally no point engaging you.

You drive by throw some copy pasta Russian excuses for the invasion and then just dip.

It’s boring, even Amnesia is better than you,
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There is no getting through to some people, you simply cant negotiate with Putin, he want land lots of it, the whole of the east in fact.

Ukraine are not giving them anything so there really is nothing to negotiate.

People come on and say but negotiate NATO are not letting Ukraine negotiate because they are running the war, but its all BS

There really is nothing to negotiate Either Russia wins or Ukraine does.
 
bingham67 said:
Think the hold is coming to the end sadly however its bled Russia for 8 months or so trying to take it, Russians must have taken big casualties.
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Last 24 hours or so all around that area it has been barrages like:


and so on.

Without significant amounts of modern mobile artillery, armoured fighting vehicles designed for heavy infantry support, etc. it is a very uphill battle for Ukraine.
 
sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:
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İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.
hurseda.net hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.
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It is easy to throw empty "instead of negotiating" sound bites around. If we take those numbers there are 175.7K dead because of Russia. Russia can pull out and negotiate any time.

(Those numbers don't even factor in the numbers of civilians killed because of Russia)
 
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bingham67 said:

Think the hold is coming to the end sadly however its bled Russia for 8 months or so trying to take it, Russians must have taken big casualties.
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Ukraine should pull a rapid withdraw, wait a couple of days and then lay waste to Bakhmut with every Himars rocket they have, it will undoubtedly be full of Russian equipment and personnel by then as they don't seem very bright about where they put their ammo dumps ...
 
alchal said:
Go figure.

Waiting for more cuts tbh
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Spent it all on Ajax :(

I think we need to be careful and strategic with our defence spending and reorganisation going forward. One thing we definitely should be looking at is expanding on reserve capabilities so we can surge the armed forces if it ever became necessary - we don't need a massive standing army but we do need to be able to respond rapidly to a potentially fast changing landscape over the next decade(s).
 
Rroff said:
Spent it all on Ajax :(

I think we need to be careful and strategic with our defence spending and reorganisation going forward. One thing we definitely should be looking at is expanding on reserve capabilities so we can surge the armed forces if it ever became necessary - we don't need a massive standing army but we do need to be able to respond rapidly to a potentially fast changing landscape over the next decade(s).
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Oh Ajax....I see the general in charge quit!

Just cancel and cv90 already.

Really need to sort the arty out, more heavy armour, those roll caged things they replaced them with are a joke now looking at Ukraine.

Also arty and drones, lots and lots of drones and capabilities to defeat masses of them.

We can't just fall back on US capabilities all the time
 
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alchal said:
Oh Ajax....I see the general in charge quit!

Just cancel and cv90 already.

Really need to sort the arty out, more heavy armour, those roll caged things they replaced them with are a joke now looking at Ukraine.

Also arty and drones, lots and lots of drones and capabilities to defeat masses of them.

We can't just fall back on US capabilities all the time
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Cage/slat armour works quite well against certain types of threat especially if the main threat to armour is expired RPGs (i.e. insurgents). Not so great against some modern munitions though.
 
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sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:
hurseda.net

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.
hurseda.net hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
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Well think for yourself a little here - what is the source for those figures, does that Turkish paper give it? Is the claim that those figures come from "Mossad" substantiated anywhere?

I suspect the US DOD and UK MOD have a far better idea of casualties than Mossad but I also suspect the claim that those figures you quote have come from" Mossad" is a crock of **** - if not then try linking to the original source (some IDF publication?) and if you can't do that then ask yourself why?

Just in general the OSINT sources collating together visual confirmation of various losses of equipment not only contradict the claims there but show a rather different ratio of losses.
 
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bingham67 said:
Think the hold is coming to the end sadly however its bled Russia for 8 months or so trying to take it, Russians must have taken big casualties.
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Bakhmut has been an icon of Ukrainian resistance. They've held out longer than anyone believed possible, so if they fold now, there's no shame in it. As you say, the Russians have wasted huge amounts of resources in the process, so that's a pyrrhic victory for Ukraine.

Rroff said:
Surprised by this if true - there are many reasons why they wouldn't including security aspects and maintenance involved.


On another note a short one but another bit of footage from that BMP attack posted by Civ Div.
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Absolutely did not expect this from Israel, it's a huge concession from a government that's officially neutral in this war. Zelensky must be stoked.
 
Sankari said:
Absolutely did not expect this from Israel, it's a huge concession from a government that's officially neutral in this war. Zelensky must be stoked.
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Far from a done deal, commentators think Israel is trying to get themselves in a favourable position relationship wise with the West in case they have to take action against Iran though, rather than altruistic reasons.
 
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