Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

dowie · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:22

Harlequin said:
Try and stick to Ukraine and not go down another Dowie hole of rampant irrelevance. kthx.

I don't know if perhaps you're being a bit slow here but I'm posting about Ukraine if you want to reply to what I've said then do so otherwise no one is forcing you to respond or do anything. I mean you literally shared the article but now you're miffed at someone for commenting on it in a way you don't like.

Perhaps accepting that people will have differing views to you would be a useful thing to learn.

Harlequin · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:27

dowie said:
I don't know if perhaps you're being a bit slow here but I'm posting about Ukraine if you want to reply to what I've said then do so otherwise no one is forcing you to respond or do anything. I mean you literally shared the article but now you're miffed at someone for commenting on it in a way you don't like.

Perhaps accepting that people will have differing views to you would be a useful thing to learn.

Bless you son, you went off on another tangent about the evils of the EU and how Corbyn is the devil incarnate. Try and stick to the topic for once in your life.

dowie · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:36

Harlequin said:
Bless you son, you went off on another tangent about the evils of the EU and how Corbyn is the devil incarnate. Try and stick to the topic for once in your life.

I am, thanks, if you pay attention my post is about the article and Ukraine... you're the one replying off-topic to post about me, if you believe the post is inappropriate then press the report button and ask a mod to take a look

As for Corbyn take a look at the interview yourself:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621981995436843008

He totally dodges the question on supplying weapons and he's still got some naive view that Putin could simply be talked out of invading. As the article that you shared has pointed out Boris and Wallace have been instrumental here, things could have been very very different! If you think I'm wrong re: Corbyn then just say why, you don't need to make up bogus claims here.

StriderX · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:42

He's totally irrelevant for one and has nothing to do with the EU stopping the UK from sending arms (which it categorically did not because we were already sending arms as part of the 2014+ operations).

dowie · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:45

StriderX said:
He's totally irrelevant for one and has nothing to do with the EU stopping the UK from sending arms (which it categorically did not because we were already sending arms as part of the 2014+ operations).

I don't think anyone claimed the EU did stop us from sending arms? The article did however emphasize the role of Boris and Wallace too and cites them as being key to this, he was the alternative to Boris, you can get some idea of the alternative scenario had Boris and Wallace not been in power by, well, looking at what he says he'd have done (or avoids answering) and his views on what should be done.

France and Germany have both shifted their position to support Ukraine with arms, Macron sill believes it's important to have a dialogue with Putin Corbyn on the other hand is still doing his nice guy routine and demonstrating that he'd have taken a radically different approach to Boris on this.

As much as people are salty about Boris because of muh Brexit or muh Tories etc... I don't think anyone being reasonable can try to claim that he didn't do a good job when it came to his support for Ukraine, and he's still lobbying for support even now, there is a reason why Zelensky is still very happy to see him even after he's out of his office and the article was correct to cite those two as being critical to the early efforts at repelling the Russian invasion.

Scougar · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:46

dowie said:
I don't know if perhaps you're being a bit slow here but I'm posting about Ukraine if you want to reply to what I've said then do so otherwise no one is forcing you to respond or do anything. I mean you literally shared the article but now you're miffed at someone for commenting on it in a way you don't like.

Perhaps accepting that people will have differing views to you would be a useful thing to learn.

It's a shame my wife wasn't in charge at the time as WW3 would be done and dusted right now. It's similar to that argument in the kitchen last week and now I spend my time regretting I even started it, and try to forget about it, much like Russia would if my wife had been in charge.

dowie · 5 Feb 2023 at 17:52

Scougar said:
It's a shame my wife wasn't in charge at the time as WW3 would be done and dusted right now. It's similar to that argument in the kitchen last week and now I spend my time regretting I even started it, and try to forget about it, much like Russia would if my wife had been in charge.

But this isn't some random, if a claim is that some PM was key because of his actions then looking at the alternative to that is warranted - would the other guy have done the same? It's not some random speculation it's looking at what the article claimed.

bingham67 · 5 Feb 2023 at 18:05

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622256015667257347

Devilman · 5 Feb 2023 at 18:13

bingham67 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1622256015667257347

Guess they're gonna need a lot more washing machines :cry:

sityeuropa · 5 Feb 2023 at 19:40

Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

CaptainRAVE · 5 Feb 2023 at 19:43

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

Those numbers don’t make sense in terms of how the war has actually progressed. Ukraine would be losing far more territory if that was the case. Throw in civilians and I could quite easily believe ukraines loses.

StriderX · 5 Feb 2023 at 19:50

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

Nice fanfic bro. If this were true then why did Russia retreat... ~~TWICE~~ THRICE.

kitch9 · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:00

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

Think.

Ukraine would have lost the war if that was true.

Stumble Bum · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:03

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

Wow, Russia sure like retreating a lot considering how few losses they have. And given their abysmal equipment / training / comms / intelligence, it really is impressive how effective they are at fighting. So Sityeuropa, how long until Russia wins the war over the evil west given these numbers you have provided?

CaptainRAVE · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:06

kitch9 said:
Think.

Unlikely.

Andrew_McP · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:13

kitch9 said:
Ukraine would have lost the war if that was true.

There is no doubt Ukraine guards its own losses very carefully, as it should, and the situation could be far worse than we guess. But Russia's inability to achieve its goals speaks for itself, despite the massive bombardments, begging Iran and North Korea for help, and being a "Global Superpower".

The whole warmongering v peace talks "failure" is as laughable as the folk pedalling this drivel. Russia could have peace tomorrow. It had peace last year! It chose conquest. It chooses conquest. These are not folk you give an inch to unless forced to. I pray Ukraine isn't forced to and that there's more help going over there than what's slowly been announced. I fear what's brewing.

Allnamestaken · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:16

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine.

Literally no point engaging you.

You drive by throw some copy pasta Russian excuses for the invasion and then just dip.

It’s boring, even Amnesia is better than you,

RobHu · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:27

sityeuropa said:
Most people here parroting the mainstream view to keep pushing the war instead of negotiating.

Figures are put out everywhere but according to Turkish paper Hurseda Haber, reporting recent MOSSAD analysis, #RussiaUkraine casualties Jan 14th 2023:

İddia: MOSSAD’a göre Ukrayna ve Rusya kayıpları

Rusya-Ukrayna savaşının birinci yılına yaklaşıldığı bu günlerde İsrail istihbaratı tarafından açıklandığı iddia edilen savaş kayıpları, savaşın korkunç boyutlarını gözler önüne seriyor.

hurseda.net

Ukraine 734K mobilized 157K killed, 234K injured
Russia 418K mobilized 18.5K killed, 44.5K injured

Sure you all may say those figures are false. But whose figures should we believe?
Our own figures obviously biased to our narrative?

What if they are close? Just realise that this proxy war the West keep pushing have a stark reminder of the potential losses you may be pushing Ukraine into.

Yeah, no.

There's too much that we know to be factually wrong about this article:

RU equipment losses:

23 planes claimed vs 64 visually confirmed
56 helicopters claimed vs 64 visually confirmed
889 tanks & armoured vehicles claimed vs 2912 visually confirmed (tanks/afv/ifv/apc)
12 AA systems claimed vs 61 visually confirmed
Source

And again, those are just visually confirmed losses not even including captured or damaged. The real numbers are most likely higher for all categories. Ukraine literally didn't even have the amount of equipment that article is claiming as lost, not even with western supplies.

It's also claiming 2458 dead NATO soldiers + 234 NATO trainers. And these are in addition to 'mercenaries'? Evidence of NATO soldiers on the ground in Ukraine please?

It's just laughable that anyone could be stupid enough to believe this.

Harlequin · 5 Feb 2023 at 20:48

Dont forget that link also claims russia have destoyed 100% more himars than actually exist in ukraine

Scougar · 5 Feb 2023 at 21:31

StriderX said:
Nice fanfic bro. If this were true then why did Russia retreat... ~~TWICE~~ THRICE.

Those figures don't even cover the Wagner loses where they admit they have something like 4/5's of their men dead. The figures are as you say, pure fiction.

Defending typically results in significantly less casualties, and Russia often struggles to take ground with massive waves of me. This in itself also suggests MASSIVE losses for the Russians. Any Ukrainian large push to date, has been fast and effective, meaning successful and likely limited casualties as not drawn out.

Both sides are surely taking thousands of losses, but I know who's taking the most. If they weren't, Ukraine would already be Russian by now.