Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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It's called talking facts, we'll see in the coming weeks/months to see who is right shall we

You wouldn't know a "fact" if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face.

No one is saying Russia can't win, of course they can. What we're saying is Russia shouldn't be allowed to win and as long as Ukraine wants to fight for its sovernetity it should be fully backed and Russia should be made to suffer in every way possible by the international community. You honestly believe Putin stops at Ukraine? Are you that much of a sucker?
 
Running low or out of stockpiles will definitely hurt the Russian war machine, doesn't matter how many ill-equipped mobiks you send they won't be able to able to take out a squadron of western MBT.
I hope they find out where this new Russian, Iranian drone factory will be, they don't want them things flying about in numbers again.

I hope they can find it and take it out. Israel well more than willing to do it in Iran but they wont in Russia.
 
You wouldn't know a "fact" if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face.

No one is saying Russia can't win, of course they can. What we're saying is Russia shouldn't be allowed to win and as long as Ukraine wants to fight for its sovernetity it should be fully backed and Russia should be made to suffer in every way possible by the international community. You honestly believe Putin stops at Ukraine? Are you that much of a sucker?
I’m not sure world leaders follow GD forum.
They’re more Speakers Corner type people when on the way back from Davos. Anything you post here makes zero difference to the war.
Your win - isn’t.
 
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Ukraine will get overrun, when will they end it

You mean when will Russia end it, right? Because let's remember that Russia started this, and Russia can end it any time Putin gives the word.

Russia is struggling to hold her territorial gains, I don't think Ukraine needs to worry about being overrun any time soon.

That's original isn't it, so you think the depleted population of Ukraine will be able to withstand an endless enslaught of Russians?

But it won't be endless. Putin's resources have a limit, and Ukraine is like a meatgrinder right now.
 
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Does anyone actually think Ukraine is going to win this war, it's so pointless to let it drag out like this. The numbers of Russians killed that we're being told is vastly overestimated

Russia has an endless supply of oil money, millions of reservists, munitions and tanks are constantly being produced, nuclear weapons. The Ruble hasn't tanked like people said it would. Russia can play the slow game, and there's nothing Ukraine can do about it

No, we are haemorrhaging money and equipment for purposes that are beyond me, stuff we can ill afford to squander, and may need on home soil one day, posibly not too far away. Quite how we, and others in the west, constantly go eagerly into situations that have sod all to do with us, to countries that would never even consider reciprocation, and for which the chance of financial recompense from is less than zero is a great mystery.

Putin is showing restraint so far, if he decides to really play nasty it would be interesting to see the west's true resolve. In a war that's so far one of slow attrition, like Vietnam, the west does not have the resolve of its people once things get really shaky to support a country many would not even have been able to vaguely pinpoint on a map until all this kicked off.

The majority of the bravado seems to come from young war game players and politicians so isolated from reality and statesmanship as to be risible. It'll either kick off uncontrollably or the west will find a cop out once the people (voters) find their Bohemian, hedonistic and consumerist way of life becoming too interrupted. Should the EU or GB even moot conscription it will be fascinating to hear how the currently pugilistic start to excuse themselves from what they currently enthusiastically support...
 
But it won't be endless. Putin's resources have a limit, and Ukraine is like a meatgrinder right now.

I do worry Russia has the better ability to grow into this war, though their resources aren't unlimited. Given enough time Russia can mobilise the military industrial machine and has the manpower to keep this going for a few years yet, while the West continues to dilly dally far too often expending chances to make this harder for Russia earlier.
 
The coalition vastly outnumbered Iraq

The coalition successfully invaded and defeated Iraq with just 160,000 men, inside the space of 1 month. That includes the capture of Baghdad and the overthrow of the Iraqi government. At that time, Iraq had an active force of 538,000 men, and 650,000 reserves.

It was a classic triumph of quality over quantity.

The majority of the bravado seems to come from young war game players and politicians so isolated from reality and statesmanship as to be risible. It'll either kick off uncontrollably or the west will find a cop out once the people (voters) find their Bohemian, hedonistic and consumerist way of life becoming too interrupted. Should the EU or GB even moot conscription it will be fascinating to hear how the currently pugilistic start to excuse themselves from what they currently enthusiastically support...

The Ukrainians say they can hold out as long as they're regularly supplied by the West. I trust that the Ukrainians know what they're talking about. It has nothing to do with bravado on my part.

Russia's progress so far has been nothing short of miserable and pathetic, especially considering the fact that she's supposed to be a major military power.
 
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No, we are haemorrhaging money and equipment for purposes that are beyond me, stuff we can ill afford to squander, and may need on home soil one day, posibly not too far away. Quite how we, and others in the west, constantly go eagerly into situations that have sod all to do with us, to countries that would never even consider reciprocation, and for which the chance of financial recompense from is less than zero is a great mystery.

Putin is showing restraint so far, if he decides to really play nasty it would be interesting to see the west's true resolve. In a war that's so far one of slow attrition, like Vietnam, the west does not have the resolve of its people once things get really shaky to support a country many would not even have been able to vaguely pinpoint on a map until all this kicked off.

The majority of the bravado seems to come from young war game players and politicians so isolated from reality and statesmanship as to be risible. It'll either kick off uncontrollably or the west will find a cop out once the people (voters) find their Bohemian, hedonistic and consumerist way of life becoming too interrupted. Should the EU or GB even moot conscription it will be fascinating to hear how the currently pugilistic start to excuse themselves from what they currently enthusiastically support...

Largely what you see as Putin showing restraint is his paranoia as to the intentions of the West - which has meant his armed forces have gone in somewhat with one armed tied behind their back, but also in reality the state of their armed forces is also crippling.

Contrary to the perceptions a lot get Russia still has the substantial core of its armed forces left, probably 2-3x the amount of forces used against Ukraine so far and with their regular level of equipment still albeit likely their ammunition and other consumable reserves are significantly depleted, but they will not be thrown into battle unless/until Putin's back is to the wall. (EDIT: If Putin takes off the gloves, ignoring nukes, it is only going to end one way - Russia might get some devastating hits in initially due to the general hubris and complacency in the West but once that turns around Russia won't stand a chance).

There are very good reasons why we are getting involved because history has shown time and time again that the likes of Putin don't just stop and the more people roll over for them the more they demand and the more they think they are god, sooner or later this comes to us one way or another, hopefully we stop that now rather than later and more costly.
 
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I’m not sure world leaders follow GD forum.
They’re more Speakers Corner type people when on the way back from Davos. Anything you post here makes zero difference to the war.
Your win - isn’t.

After having spent most of their time consuming the prostitutes that flocked to the place knowing they had a ready supply of punters on expenses, expenses the poor saps who finance their so called governments gave to them in the forlorn hope they'd use it wisely.
 
I dunno why any of you expect a proper conversation with Tango. He only ever posts and runs without any proper reply to being challenged.

Knowing his political leanings and views it is quite predictable he has the stance he does.

Same goes for the likes or Chris/Amnesia/Kyle/Sity.

Don’t waste your breath it’s always the arguments will always be disingenuous.
 
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