Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for us to give fighter jets here either, they are way more complicated to run than something like a tank.

This war doesn't seem to be one where the airforce really matters all that much either.

I maintain that tanks and medium/longer range missiles with good backbone artillery are the main winners and the things they need the most.
 
I think Jets are unlikely to turn the tide in any significant way.

Be much more useful to see some more of those Brimstone loaded soft sided vans - that would make any armoured advance by Russia very interesting. Smash the whole column with networked Brimstones.
 
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I see the fighter pilot training more as a diplomatic tool indicating the UK's long term commitment to Ukraine, and a future for Ukraine as a NATO member able to use Western jets.

Maybe Western jets will play a part in the war, but kind of hoping it doesn't go on long enough for that to happen, and that they stay as more of a long term plan & diplomatic signal.
 
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HungryHippos said:
I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for us to give fighter jets here either, they are way more complicated to run than something like a tank.

This war doesn't seem to be one where the airforce really matters all that much either.

I maintain that tanks and medium/longer range missiles with good backbone artillery are the main winners and the things they need the most.
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I suspect that rather like with the offer of Challenger Tanks it is a relatively small offer, but it broke the deadlock and encouraged the other Nation(s) to agree to send Leopards etc..

It's almost like that "spectator syndrome" that can occur with onlookers to an accident - Everyone wants to do the right thing, A lot of them even know how to do the right thing, but they all stand on looking until someone "takes the lead" and gets the ball rolling.

This could well be a similar situation, an attempt to be the "trigger" that encourages other Nation(s) to send Aircraft also.

Even though Russia has not been able to create and use air superiority over Ukraine, sadly neither has Ukraine been able to maintain their Airspace.

With more fighters available they would (in theory) have the capacity to patrol close(r) to the border which may also help push back the range at which Russia can keep launching Missile Attacks that are launched from aircraft, which would be a big plus.
 
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I think the jets are just symbolic to further show to Russia we're still prepared to give Ukraine whatever they need

Too much air defence to actually be useful above what they already are using, unless there's specific pylons for some better weapons that can't be jerry-rigged on the Ukrainian jets
 
Sankari said:
Well the USSR was controlled by Russia, so the satellite states don't get any blame for her invasions.
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I honestly never thought I would say anything vaguely pro Russian in this thread that wasn't tongue in cheek, but that's actually pretty much a myth.

Russia was the largest member of the USSR, but it actually exerted less control/dominance over the USSR than England does over the UK. To put it in perspective, neither of the two longest serving leaders of the USSR (Joseph Stalin and Leonid Brezhnev) were actually Russian, they were Georgian and Ukrainian respectively.

The idea that all the bad stuff the USSR did was done by Russians is mainly due to most of the people in the USSR being Russian and so statistically something bad was more likely to have been done by a Russian. But sadly for most of it's existence the USSR was fairly unified in it's obsession for doing bad stuff, it was only in the 1980s that the majority of people in the smaller SSRs decided they wanted out, and only in the 90s that everyone decided on the myth that the USSR's wrongdoings were all Russia's fault.
 
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They have maintenance facilities/personnel for fighter jets, with room to spare due to having lost fighter jets. This is why they're asking for fighter jets :p
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Not to mention how condescending and downright insulting it is to insinuate that Ukrainians are incapable of being trained to use this equipment effectively. They have shown time and time again that they are more than capable of adapting to not only use Western equipment effectively, but also to adapt to modern skills and tactics. A very very capable force.
 
Russia considers whether there is any place for the VDV in the military

At least they have a new theme song!

VDV, Take off the strip!
2000 Men on a one way trip!
Didn't even do Anti-Air surpression
Who was it that planned this mission!?
In the Heaven, I'll meet..
Fallschirmjägers from the battle of Crete
This whole mission was a bloody disgrace
Airborne drops in contested airspace!?


www.businessinsider.com

After bloody failures in Ukraine, Russians are reconsidering the role of their military's 'elite' paratroopers

The debate about the value of airborne forces isn't unique to Russia, but it's grown more intense there after VDV troops took heavy losses in Ukraine.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
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steve45 said:
Not to mention how condescending and downright insulting it is to insinuate that Ukrainians are incapable of being trained to use this equipment effectively. They have shown time and time again that they are more than capable of adapting to not only use Western equipment effectively, but also to adapt to modern skills and tactics. A very very capable force.
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It's not how I meant it, but it's not like just anyone can get into a jet any fly one either, or be technically skilled enough to service them.

Hell put me in a jet and I'd be crashing it before I left the runway! :cry:
 
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