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HungryHippos said:
It's not how I meant it, but it's not like just anyone can get into a jet any fly one either, or be technically skilled enough to service them.

Hell put me in a jet and I'd be crashing it before I left the runway! :cry:
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Very much doubt they would be just plucking random people off the street to zero to hero them on flying a fighter jet though, they have pilots already trained to fly. They have the pilots, they lack the jets in sufficient quantities. I think what is being discussed is a somewhat condensed qualification/conversion course.

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I've said before in this thread that Fighter jets would be of limited use in the current battles, but at the timeframes they are "suggesting", it might be an entirely different war by that point. Keeping the jet discussion open like they stated today is a very smart idea as it leaves room for manoeuvre as the conflict evolves and leaves open the door for providing Ukraine the ability to protect itself post conflict.
 
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steve45 said:
Very much doubt they would be just plucking random people off the street to zero to hero them on flying a fighter jet though, they have pilots already trained to fly. I think what is being discussed is a somewhat condensed qualification/conversion course.
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In any case I think they need the F-16's in any real numbers to helps, that gives them something with plentiful supply. I think we have a fairly decent airforce but it's not that large, and like the tanks, we probably don't have a lot of spares sat there.
 
Quartz said:
The ground crew need to know everything about the plane from which oils and hydraulic fluids to use and when to use them to all the electric circuits to the specific torques required for each nut and much, much more.
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So is there a credible source giving an estimate re: how long it will take? As in how long it will take if needed urgently for operations not what the standard peacetime timeline is?

That RAF officer reckoned 6 months down to 4-6 weeks for re-training pilots so what a standard timeline for regular conversion of experienced groundcrew during peacetime and what can it be reduced to if needed?
 
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ubersonic said:
I honestly never thought I would say anything vaguely pro Russian in this thread that wasn't tongue in cheek, but that's actually pretty much a myth.

Russia was the largest member of the USSR, but it actually exerted less control/dominance over the USSR than England does over the UK. To put it in perspective, neither of the two longest serving leaders of the USSR (Joseph Stalin and Leonid Brezhnev) were actually Russian, they were Georgian and Ukrainian respectively.

The idea that all the bad stuff the USSR did was done by Russians is mainly due to most of the people in the USSR being Russian and so statistically something bad was more likely to have been done by a Russian. But sadly for most of it's existence the USSR was fairly unified in it's obsession for doing bad stuff, it was only in the 1980s that the majority of people in the smaller SSRs decided they wanted out, and only in the 90s that everyone decided on the myth that the USSR's wrongdoings were all Russia's fault.
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One at least.
atm Feelings trump facts.
 
dowie said:
So is there a credible source giving an estimate re: how long it will take? As in how long it will take if needed urgently for operations not what the standard peacetime timeline is?

That RAF officer reckoned 6 months down to 4-6 weeks for re-training pilots so what a standard timeline for regular conversion of experienced groundcrew during peacetime and what can it be reduced to if needed?
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The 6 months to 4-6 weeks seems about right. A full Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) Course was about 6 months for people fresh out of training and a couple of months for those with previous operational experience.
I don't see why it should be too much different for groundcrew as they are not trained to be experts in the whole aircraft, each has a specialisation such as Weapons, Avionics, Hydraulics, Engines, Airframe etc. However, their SNCOs and Officers would need to understand a lot more in order to co-ordinate everyone.
 
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Minstadave said:
What nuclear option are they going to employ? Nuking their neighbour or the whole world? Neither seem likely.
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They have said they will use them if their existence is threatened. What that means in practice is up to interpretation but it would involve a strike on Ukraine. Not the first time a city has been nuked and Russia has already said that the U.S have set this precedent already for the use of nuclear options to end a war.
 
Grim5 said:
Blinken says the types of supplies sent to Ukraine is changing because the US supports Ukraine taking back all Russian occupied territory

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It’s the only way this ends. Russia will play the long game and happily drag this out for years if it has to. It knows the West will tire eventually and want Ukraine to give in or start to reduce support. Pushing Russia out of Ukraine entirely causes a bigger problem for Russia that will likely result in a bigger mobilisation but that’s the end game here before Russia are defeated.
 
Rilot said:
The thing is, I don't think planes will help. Converting from one type of aircraft to another with completely different avionics, weapon systems, and operational rules takes a very long time. If we dumped a bunch of Eurofighters in Ukraine, it would take 6 months as a minimum to re-train and be effective in them.
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I'm not so sure, would a good fighter pilot not pick up a new system fairly quickly, controls cant be that much different.

Just really the tech in the cockpit, firing controls etc I cant imagine them being that much different that a few weeks in training wouldn't sort.

I also think its a good time for planes, Russia are low on Missiles and they seem to be firing a lot of S300 missiles at civilians now so they might be running low on them for air defence.

Russia seem to be very low on planes now too, a war like this should have dozens if not hundreds of planes flying all over the place.

USA for instance get air superiority very quickly and saturate the skies with the things, Russia failed badly by not getting air superiority at the start of the invasion.

A lot of war planes could be huge for Ukraine and tip the balance.
 
bris said:
I'm not so sure, would a good fighter pilot not pick up a new system fairly quickly, controls cant be that much different.

Just really the tech in the cockpit, firing controls etc I cant imagine them being that much different that a few weeks in training wouldn't sort.

I also think its a good time for planes, Russia are low on Missiles and they seem to be firing a lot of S300 missiles at civilians now so they might be running low on them for air defence.

Russia seem to be very low on planes now too, a war like this should have dozens if not hundreds of planes flying all over the place.

USA for instance get air superiority very quickly and saturate the skies with the things, Russia failed badly by not getting air superiority at the start of the invasion.

A lot of war planes could be huge for Ukraine and tip the balance.
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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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bris said:
Russia seem to be very low on planes now too, a war like this should have dozens if not hundreds of planes flying all over the place.
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Aside from their air fleet seems to be in a poor state of maintenance, it seems Russia has focussed on the one hand for all out war and on the other counter-insurgency type stuff and flying complex operations the experience and training just aren't there for. Same for their air-defence complexes really - Russia gave up chasing the advances in jet fighter technology the West was pushing and instead the S-300/400 were designed to allow for indiscriminate air denial - the problem is they can't be used like that in this situation with the risks to civilian air traffic, etc. (Russia has had more than one instance of AD missiles going 100+ miles off course and hitting stuff it shouldn't).
 
There’s a growing fleet of retired F-16AM’s building up in Europe right now as the likes of Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands take delivery of their shiny new F-35’s. Despite being around 35-40 years old, these have been modernised throughout their lives to operate the latest weapons, comms and datalink upgrades, etc. Perhaps they’d be a good fit for the Ukrainian Air Force?
 
Iron Man said:
Not sure how I feel that the UK might give fighter jets as it’s another step closer to Ukraine retaking Crimea which would push Russia to their nuclear option.
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Never going to happen, Russia fails then Putin is murdered and another mad man takes his place.

He then takes a few years to rebuild Russia and then sets his own ambitions in motion whatever they may be.

Xi has in no uncertain terms told Putin not to use nukes, would Putin ignore Xi? I dont think so.

Nor do I think he would be allowed to, someone would stop him, that red button he carries about is useless without real people readying and targeting the nukes

I doubt the red button even works, it takes two to turn the keys at the same time.
 
bris said:
Never going to happen, Russia fails then Putin is murdered and another mad man takes his place.

He then takes a few years to rebuild Russia and then sets his own ambitions in motion whatever they may be.

Xi has in no uncertain terms told Putin not to use nukes, would Putin ignore Xi? I dont think so.

Nor do I think he would be allowed to, someone would stop him, that red button he carries about is useless without real people readying and targeting the nukes

I doubt the red button even works, it takes two to turn the keys at the same time.
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I don't share your confidence. I have my doubts Putin will take much notice of Xi if it comes to it - Putin has been showing clear signs of megalomania of late.

The people in the nuclear chain of command are probably picked quite specifically and I would not bet on them standing in the way of a nuclear launch order, maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

I think you are injecting too much Western logic into a situation where it doesn't apply so clearly.

Ultimately though Putin ain't going to use nukes if it means his arse is on the line - if his back was to a wall though all bets are off.
 
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Look at them Conservatives grovelling for some world PR, its sickening.
Zelensky knows he just got to turn up here and the the nodding dogs of parliament will throw him whatever he wants.

The naïve young war mongers on here would rather we ramp up war rhetoric rather than encourage peace negotiations.

Here you go Zelensky have what's left of our army.
 
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bris said:
Never going to happen, Russia fails then Putin is murdered and another mad man takes his place.

He then takes a few years to rebuild Russia and then sets his own ambitions in motion whatever they may be.

Xi has in no uncertain terms told Putin not to use nukes, would Putin ignore Xi? I dont think so.

Nor do I think he would be allowed to, someone would stop him, that red button he carries about is useless without real people readying and targeting the nukes

I doubt the red button even works, it takes two to turn the keys at the same time.
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I wouldn’t be complacent and say it would never happen. There have been a few near misses in the Cold War where equipment has malfunctioned and soldiers have ignored their procedures to launch a nuclear strike so I don’t doubt that wouldn’t happen.
 
sityeuropa said:
Look at them Conservatives grovelling for some world PR, its sickening.
Zelensky knows he just got to turn up here and the the nodding dogs of parliament will throw him whatever he wants.

The naïve young war mongers on here would rather we ramp up war rhetoric rather than encourage peace negotiations.

Here you go Zelensky have what's left of our army.
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Your leader has been feeding 'your' army to Ukranian soldiers with Western gear. Perhaps it's your war mongering leader you need to challenge?
 
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