Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Interesting discussion on Peston that while the UK should support Ukraine in securing jets we couldn't really send anything as its too complicated and requires extensive training. The F16 was seen as the viable option due to being similar to what they already fly but we don't have any of those so perhaps all we will really do is put a bit of pressure on European countries to supply them.
 
Puzzled said:
as its too complicated and requires extensive training.
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Again an absolutely nonsense argument! there is nothing holding back Ukrainian pilots/ground crew learning to work with our jets, be that a token number of Typhoons or whatever. We certainly could facilitate purchase of surplus F16's though I feel there are better options. However I feel the talk of Jet supplies is more to break down that wall, dispel the taboo, and to force the hand of the other western nations into stumping up old stocks not in use. I think any talk of jet supplies is a long way off reality. However, as I have already stated, this notion that complicated western equipment is beyond Ukrainian capabilities is ridiculous. Is it the best option maybe not, but any help is better than none.
The issue is that any Western jet must be supplied with current gen BVR A2A munitions to be truly effective in controlling the skies, they already have the Anti radiation capability with HARM, provided they haven't expended their stocks already.
 
Here is another interview of Rashka POWs, one is ruskie and the other is chechen. The interviewer shows pictures of damaged Grozny and Mariupol. Long story short the ruskie came to fight terrorists to Grozny in 2005. The chechen was around 25 at the time. He could not comment anything about it as he is part of the kadyrov regime working as a police man in Chechnya. Now they came together to bring this thing called "Rusky mir"(russian world).
 
We are already at a basic supply war of NATO support via Russian force. The escalation of that is exceptionally dangerous.
 

sityeuropa said:
My word the naivety, this is not a game.
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It is to your boss, he's playing Russian Roulette, literally.

He knows he cant attack a NATO country but he's doing what he always does, threatening thinking we are going to cower in fear and just let him run riot though eastern Europe.

The F16's are going to Ukraine whether he screams or not, every day is a new red line for him, why would this one be any different.

He has and knows it, bitten off more than he can chew here.

it's cost him everything this time and he will know it, the clocks ticking on him.
 
ubersonic said:
In the eight years between the invasion of Crimea/Donbas and last years full blown invasion Ukraine spent quite a bit of time/effort in reactivating and upgrading hundreds of air defence units specifically to deny Russia air superiority in the event Putin rolled the dice. Lack of effective Russian intel on their whereabouts in the opening days of the war meant they weren't able to take out enough to gain safety and that combined with the superior skills of the Ukrainian air force meant they never had a hope of gaining superiority.

The USA as you say did much better in Iraq (twice) but while Iraq had the fourth largest army on the planet their anti-air and air force weren't a patch on Ukraine's (not to say the USA couldn't have invaded Ukraine successfully of course).
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Yes but to be fair the Ukrainian air defence wasn't that great at the start, it is now that air defence has poured in from every where but at the start it should have been overwhelmed by the sheer number of Missiles they fired in the opening few weeks.

Instead of targeting and overwhelming the defences they just used the missiles on civilians, so be honest do you think the USA would have let that happen?
 
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We are already at a basic supply war of NATO support via Russian force. The escalation of that is exceptionally dangerous.
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Agreed but unless Russia backs down, or are fought to exhaustion in the very near future maybe, there is no path which doesn't lead to a very dangerous outcome - Ukraine rolling over certainly doesn't lead to a safer world. No sane person should want to bow to the likes of Putin and the kind of existence people have under his regime - though if you are one of the aspiring ones who think it'll be different for you - you'd be in for a rude awakening.
 
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Rroff said:
Agreed but unless Russia backs down, or are fought to exhaustion in the very near future maybe, there is no path which doesn't lead to a very dangerous outcome - Ukraine rolling over certainly doesn't lead to a safer world. No sane person should want to bow to the likes of Putin and the kind of existence people have under his regime - though if you are one of the aspiring ones who think it'll be different for you - you'd be in for a rude awakening.
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Its just another moscowbot Rroff.
 
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*Russia’s Wagner Group Has Stopped Recruiting Prisoners to Fight in Ukraine - Group’s Founder Prigozhin
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More like Russia has run out of prisoners to recruit. There was word they may start recruiting female prisoners but they also need those females to repopulate Russia

Putin had to find ways to cut costs in the Russian budget and getting rid of 50 thousand prisoners must have been very cost effective
 
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Jokester said:
I hear we’re looking to replace the Red Arrows.
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Genius. We donate the Red Arrows liveried up Hawks, and the Ukrainians use them to put on a display over the trenches in Bakhmut, and while the Wagnerites are gawping skyward at the red, white and blue smoke and the aerobatic daring-do, the Ukrainians throw a couple of tank brigades at them.
 
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Blueball said:
@Quartz See the word I put in bold? What does it say?
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This side argument is rather amusing. He says groundcrew need to know everything on a plane. You say, no they don’t, there’s lots of different types of crew, from blah to blah.
Surely between them all they know everything about that plane! Therefore groundcrew (as a collective - not Steve the ash tray replacement guy) should know everything?!
 
Can Ukraine defend against this?

They claim within the next 10 days Russia will launch its biggest operation yet and Russia has amassed a large number of vehicles for it

"Russian occupiers have prepared 1,800 tanks, 3,950 armoured vehicles, 2,700 artillery systems, 810 multiple-rocket-launch systems, 400 fighter jets, and 300 helicopters for a new offensive operation in Ukraine"
 
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Washout said:
This side argument is rather amusing. He says groundcrew need to know everything on a plane. You say, no they don’t, there’s lots of different types of crew, from blah to blah.
Surely between them all they know everything about that plane! Therefore groundcrew (as a collective - not Steve the ash tray replacement guy) should know everything?!
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There is a very fundamental difference because you can train all the different subject matter experts in parallel.
 
Grim5 said:
Can Ukraine defend against this?

They claim within the next 10 days Russia will launch its biggest operation yet and Russia has amassed a large number of vehicles for it

"Russian occupiers have prepared 1,800 tanks, 3,950 armoured vehicles, 2,700 artillery systems, 810 multiple-rocket-launch systems, 400 fighter jets, and 300 helicopters for a new offensive operation in Ukraine"
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Well a lot more young people are going to die, on both sides.
 
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