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sityeuropa said:
6 Million loons.

So given the information and multiple quotes from U.S officials, given the history of the latest leak from the reputable Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter.
Who would you honestly bet on blew up the pipeline?

Are you seriously telling me it was Russia after all the motive and evidence points to the U.S?
Is this what your gut tells you? Or are you to stubborn to admit the mainstream news may have misled you all?

The mainstream news who still won't question the act? Don't you at least find this deceiving from your cherished news sources? Who will repeatedly lie to you.
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He has for quite some time now been a CS pusher. End of story. Russell Brand is the type of person that can convince people a smelly nob is all the fault of the economic forum for example.
 
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tang0 said:
WHO CARES. Only one of the biggest stories for ages. So it's fine if the USA conducted a false flag by blowing up the pipeline and blaming it on Russia, to make EU completely dependant on US energy and escalate the war in Ukraine; which in turn using the war to funnel money back to the military industrial complex with large contracts for weapons and equipment manufacturers...

This would be an act of war if any other country did this
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No! lets look at the reality. Russia cares because the rest of the world is less dependent on their resources whilst their economy is tanking. Europe dosnt really care because what is done is done and we are making do sourcing energy supplies elsewhere.

Meanwhile Russia are the only ones conducting acts of war daily in Ukraine.
 
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sityeuropa said:
6 Million loons.

So given the information and multiple quotes from U.S officials, given the history of the latest leak from the reputable Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter.
Who would you honestly bet on blew up the pipeline?

Are you seriously telling me it was Russia after all the motive and evidence points to the U.S?
Is this what your gut tells you? Or are you to stubborn to admit the mainstream news may have misled you all?

The mainstream news who still won't question the act? Don't you at least find this deceiving from your cherished news sources? Who will repeatedly lie to you.
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tang0 said:
WHO CARES. Only one of the biggest stories for ages. So it's fine if the USA conducted a false flag by blowing up the pipeline and blaming it on Russia, to make EU completely dependant on US energy and escalate the war in Ukraine; which in turn using the war to funnel money back to the military industrial complex with large contracts for weapons and equipment manufacturers...

This would be an act of war if any other country did this
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Or how about a different angle rather than "the west is bad".

Russia knew after the invasion that a return to normality and trading with the EU was never going to happen. By keeping the pipeline closed off by choice it makes Putin look soft, like he still might want the trade if the right offer/deal came up. What happened is typical of someone who considers brute force and hyper aggression the way to do things.

Blow the pipeline up and cause an environmental disaster, Sadam did the same with the oil wells back in desert storm... another maniac.

By blowing the pipeline and pointing the finger, he can use that as propaganda to the brainwashed masses back in russia that they are under attack whilst also accusing the west of sabotage. He could then cause conflict and division in NATO and try and invoke a military response without directly attacking a NATO member. This no doubt would throw the alliance a big curve ball as some countries would love to have a pop back and others wouldn't retaliate because technically a country itself wasnt attacked. This would break the fabric of a unified response, classic divide and conquer.

This is what Putin does, he's one sneaky man and there's no limit to how low he will go and has zero morals.
 
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tang0 said:
Whatever your views are on Russell Brand, does not have any bearing on the validity of a news story
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What are you talking about? Russell gives OPINION pieces and NOT news. He presents something someone said, and then lays on the conspiracy of why without any actual evidence.

EDIT: For example, he said Zelensky accused and arrested people for corruption, and then went on to suggest something about Hunter Biden lol. Like, how was this low level person even connected? ZERO evidence. Opinion only. I used to like him, but he turned so odd.
 
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hardkore said:
Or how about a different angle rather than "the west is bad".

Russia knew after the invasion that a return to normality and trading with the EU was never going to happen. By keeping the pipeline closed off by choice it makes Putin look soft, like he still might want the trade if the right offer/deal came up. What happened is typical of someone who considers brute force and hyper aggression the way to do things.

Blow the pipeline up and cause an environmental disaster, Sadam did the same with the oil wells back in desert storm... another maniac.

By blowing the pipeline and pointing the finger, he can use that as propaganda to the brainwashed masses back in russia that they are under attack whilst also accusing the west of sabotage. He could then cause conflict and division in NATO and try and invoke a military response without directly attacking a NATO member. This no doubt would throw the alliance a big curve ball as some countries would love to have a pop back and others wouldn't retaliate because technically a country itself wasnt attacked. This would break the fabric of a unified response, classic divide and conquer.

This is what Putin does, he's one sneaky man and there's no limit to how low he will go and has zero morals.
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You have a journalist who has had sources confirm to him it happened, you had Biden and others basically preempting it months before it happened, and then after you had people like Nuland and Blinken celebrating it; not to mention the effect it would have on the climate. But you can say "this is the sort of stuff Putin does" without any evidence and that's enough for you. If that doesn't tell you anything I don't know what will

Everyone knows what the CIA has done across the world over the years, yet you won't allow yourselves to think there might be the possibility of them blowing up a pipeline, which they've have clearly said they didn't want in the first place, but no that's just a "conspiracy theory". Just shows how brainwashed people are into thinking the US/west can do no harm.
 
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hardkore said:
Or how about a different angle rather than "the west is bad".

Russia knew after the invasion that a return to normality and trading with the EU was never going to happen. By keeping the pipeline closed off by choice it makes Putin look soft, like he still might want the trade if the right offer/deal came up. What happened is typical of someone who considers brute force and hyper aggression the way to do things.

Blow the pipeline up and cause an environmental disaster, Sadam did the same with the oil wells back in desert storm... another maniac.

By blowing the pipeline and pointing the finger, he can use that as propaganda to the brainwashed masses back in russia that they are under attack whilst also accusing the west of sabotage. He could then cause conflict and division in NATO and try and invoke a military response without directly attacking a NATO member. This no doubt would throw the alliance a big curve ball as some countries would love to have a pop back and others wouldn't retaliate because technically a country itself wasnt attacked. This would break the fabric of a unified response, classic divide and conquer.

This is what Putin does, he's one sneaky man and there's no limit to how low he will go and has zero morals.
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This assumes we care about said pipeline to begin with. I for one was happy to hear of its demise as were most of my friends/collegues at the time. This is no longer even considered news anyway.
Lets face it the only reason this has even become a talking point is that the lack of Russian gas hasn't had the effect that Russia wanted. Instead of crippling western economy, it has been liberating instead. Yes there has been an adjustment period but I think all things considered we are doing just fine.
 
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hardkore said:
By blowing the pipeline and pointing the finger, he can use that as propaganda to the brainwashed masses back in russia that they are under attack whilst also accusing the west of sabotage. He could then cause conflict and division in NATO and try and invoke a military response without directly attacking a NATO member. This no doubt would throw the alliance a big curve ball as some countries would love to have a pop back and others wouldn't retaliate because technically a country itself wasnt attacked. This would break the fabric of a unified response, classic divide and conquer.

This is what Putin does, he's one sneaky man and there's no limit to how low he will go and has zero morals.
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Wow so ignoring the U.S President and other diplomats saying they would take out Nordstream.
I just can't comprehend how people ignore it when it doesn't fit their narative.

Just amazes me.
If it was the other way around and Putin said yeh we will take it out. Everything I am saying now I would throw out and change my opinion based on new evidence.

It's weird how stubborn people are. Maybe its the education system nowadays, complete nutjob NLP programming.
 
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sityeuropa said:
Wow so ignoring the U.S President and other diplomats saying they would take out Nordstream.
I just can't comprehend how people ignore it when it doesn't fit their narative.

Just amazes me.
If it was the other way around and Putin said yeh we will take it out.

Everything I am saying now I would throw out and change my opinion based on new evidence.
It's weird how stubborn people are. Maybe its the education system nowadays, complete nutjob NLP programming.
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Why should we care that our reliance on a hostile nation has been reduced?
 
sityeuropa said:
Wow so ignoring the U.S President and other diplomats saying they would take out Nordstream.
I just can't comprehend how people ignore it when it doesn't fit their narative.

Just amazes me.
If it was the other way around and Putin said yeh we will take it out.

Everything I am saying now I would throw out and change my opinion based on new evidence.
It's weird how stubborn people are. Maybe its the education system nowadays, complete nutjob NLP programming.
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Amazing isn't it. You don't have to be a contrarian, but at the same time people need to use their brain and just look outside the box and not consume everything put out by the "MSM" which stories are filtered down by people in the government controlling what they want you to believe
 
Scougar said:
Some CS people here are clearly oblivious to what the wars in the East were all about (i.e. pipelines/oil) LOL.
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Yeh never told the real reasons are we, always deceived, always lied to, always a front on the real reasons.

That is why I don't believe a single thing without good reason, what the BBC , Sky and all the other BS outlets out there say.

And at this current time, after looking at all the opinions from different sides, the one that makes the most sense and quotes evidence is Russell Brand.
What a sad state that is, no offence to Russell Brand, just how far we have to go outside the main avenues to get what is really going on.
 
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steve45 said:
Why should we care that our reliance on a hostile nation has been reduced?
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It's the principle on how things are reported, what we are told, the standards, the distrust.

If they can't be honest about this, and ask questions as enthusiastic as they would a BS Trump conspiracy, then how much other stuff do they lie about.
 
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sityeuropa said:
Yeh never told the real reasons are we, always deceived, always lied to, always a front on the real reasons.

That is why I don't believe a single thing without good reason, what the BBC , Sky and all the other BS outlets out there say.

And at this current time, after looking at all the opinions from different sides, the one that makes the most sense and quotes evidence is Russell Brand.
What a sad state that is, no offence to Russell Brand, just how far we have to go outside the main avenues to get what is really going on.
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But you'll believe Russell Brand? (He doesn't give evidence, he makes connections and makes assumptions.)
 
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