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steve45 said:
I'd hazard a guess that Ukraine would be supplied with the non DU L28 rather the the L27a1 Charm3? The Export round that the Oman CR2's use, made of tungsten rather than DU, I could be wrong though.
I'd imagine they will also be supplied with HESH, but more for anti structure and lighter armour/vehicles (BMP's and the like).
Very much looking forward to seeing what kind of impact the CR2's have on the battle. Great to see they have been making good use of the Stormer recently, can only guess they have had a recent restock of missiles.
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They could use CR1 `s with L23A1 and would be very effective.
 
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Not really worried about the tank-on-tank aspect.

Even though the Chally-2's are from the 90's; All the russians are running on now are their 1960-70's stock which should be a cake walk.

Problem is going to be Mines, Kornets & Artillery. Not sure how long those dozen tanks will last in a high intensity engagement.
 
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CaneyJ said:
Not sure how long those half dozen tanks will last in a high intensity engagement.
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I have no doubt they are only going to be used with massive support during major Ukrainian pushes to the point they will probably be on "mop up duty" just clearing what little remains following himars / artillary bombardments.
 
Harlequin said:
HESH is no longer viable against modern tanks with ERA, hence the UK use CHARM3 (fin) rounds.
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The one time a Challenger 2 got blown up by another tank in combat was with a HESH shell. From another Challenger 2 :p

It's not been appropriate against modern frontal armour (ERA or not) for decades but in the worst case scenario it's still a 16kg plastic explosive cowpat not an inert dart so roll the dice for external damage to equipment, optics, nearby personnel and if there's a hatch open that's probably a bad day.
 
Hotwired said:
The one time a Challenger 2 got blown up by another tank in combat was with a HESH shell. From another Challenger 2 :p

It's not been appropriate against modern frontal armour (ERA or not) for decades but in the worst case scenario it's still a 16kg plastic explosive cowpat not an inert dart so roll the dice for external damage to equipment, optics, nearby personnel and if there's a hatch open that's probably a bad day.
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Any track/suspension/engine bay hit will very likely be a mobility kill. Remember kids, a stationary tank is going to be a burning wreck very soon.
 
Hotwired said:
The one time a Challenger 2 got blown up by another tank in combat was with a HESH shell. From another Challenger 2 :p

It's not been appropriate against modern frontal armour (ERA or not) for decades but in the worst case scenario it's still a 16kg plastic explosive cowpat not an inert dart so roll the dice for external damage to equipment, optics, nearby personnel and if there's a hatch open that's probably a bad day.
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To be fair it didn't penetrate the armour. It hit the open commanders hatch.
 
CaneyJ said:
Not really worried about the tank-on-tank aspect.

Even though the Chally-2's are from the 90's; All the russians are running on now are their 1960-70's stock which should be a cake walk.

Problem is going to be Mines, Kornets & Artillery. Not sure how long those dozen tanks will last in a high intensity engagement.
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Probably won't have the armour package or some other bits as per they'd be used by the UK military unfortunately but Ukraine don't seem shy of pushing this gear to frontline use.
 
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Rroff said:
Probably won't have the armour package or some other bits as per they'd be used by the UK military unfortunately but Ukraine don't seem shy of pushing this gear to frontline use.
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I'm interested in seeing if they can fit thier reactive armour tiles all over one.....
 
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Scougar said:
Gonna be an interesting few days for Bakhmut and what happens next.

I see some info about UKR counterattacking from above the Russians in the North as to cut their new Northern spearhead off almost completely. No idea if this is true, but would seem like a miracle move and I am extremely skeptical.

Guess we will see soon, but again... I'm very doubtful.
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Sounds like a large counter-attack north of Bakhmut was just a rumour, no evidence has popped up anyway. Most likely it was just localised and small scale.
 
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RobHu said:
Sounds like a large counter-attack north of Bakhmut was just a rumour, no evidence has popped up anyway. Most likely it was just localised and small scale.
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Kinda suspected this was the case. Would have been great, but seems like they are getting ready to abandon it now looking at everything else. What you gonna do when the enemy just doesn't care about human life and throws bodies at a situation :(
 
Turn said:
*Hungarian Carrier Wizzair Says It Will Suspend All Flights to and From Moldova From March 14 Due to Security Concerns

White House’s Kirby:
- US Has Evolved Capabilities As War Evolved in Ukraine
- Regarding the Issue of the F-16 Fighter Jets, Says What Ukraine Needs Most Now Is Improved Air Defense Capabilities
- More Ukraine Aid Coming W/ Air Defense Capabilities
- It’s Up to Ukraine to Determine What Victory Looks Like
- Russians Don't Have Air Superiority Over Ukraine
- No Decision From China to Provide Lethal Aid Yet
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2023 could be our last good summer. China probably giving aid via another country.
 
Stretch said:
If China arms Russia I think we should be prepared for a very bumpy ride.

It’s essentially the end of the wests relationship with China. That already looks fairly inevitable but it will happen much more quickly.
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Yep. If China arms Russia its almost certainty that that we'll see the US announce longer range missiles and F16 jets, but for Russia it means they will no longer ammo supply issue if China goes all in on them which then likely means that of Ukraine can't win soon they are unlikely to be able to win
 
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