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Of course not, but I’m not in charge, and we are mere lapdogs to the US, and we’re the ones throwing our weight about with threats and military supplies
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Why do people lose all sense of reason and cognitive thought when **** like this happens? We are not going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.
I do not understand how this is relevant?
Yeah, I'm seeing that
I'm actually a bit unsure how to reply to that as you've effectively countered your own point but I'll try lol.
No, I'm not effectively saying that the original F-16 and F-16 Block 52 are same thing, I'm saying that (using your example) as the F-16 Block 52 is an upgraded version of the original F-16, it is possible to upgrade the original to practically the same standard.
That's the bit you're missing, you're looking at it as "ooh thing A is 30 years older than thing B so it must be 30 years behind technology wise" but you don't factor in that thing A has been modernised as part of a recent upgrade/repair process.
Okay, looking at Wikipedia's info (which will be a bit out of date for Ukraine as it doesn't include the refit programmes running over the past few years). They have the following active tanks:
Russia:
T-90: 370
T-80: 450
T:72: ~2000
Total: ~2820
Ukraine:
T-84: ~150
T-80: ~250
T-64: ~800
T-72: ~300
Total: ~1500
On paper Russia has a near 2:1 numbers advantage in tanks, however they are not going to send every tank in the country to invade Ukraine, so lets be kind to them and say they send half of them (again it's very unlikely they would send half of their entire tank inventory but as I said tis comparison favours Russia) that would mean that tank numbers are even between Ukraine/Russia, but Ukraine has the better tanks so all being even the tank battle would skew in Ukraine's favour unless Russia can manage air supremacy.
Like I said to you before, Ukraine does not have manufacturing or technology in order to upgrade that 30-40 year old BUK to a comparable BUKM3 level Russia has. It is very unlikely that Ukranian BUK can intercept missiles.
I'm still confused how does Ukraine have better tanks than Russia. Since when is T-64 better than T-72 they are pretty much equal tanks? The most numerous tanks in both. Russians have more t-80's and more of T-90's than T-84 of Ukraine.
Lastly, how did Ukraine fail to recapture rebelling regions with such advance and amazing tanks? In a warfware that was void of Missiles and Air Support.
Then once again your T-90 numbers are off. Per wikipedia, Operates 369 T-90A, 120 Т-90 and 38+ Т-90М tanks. That is 528. Furthermore, some sources indicate multiple hundred T-90's in storage waiting modernization.
Finally, you really decided not to include any reserve numbers. 4000 of T-80 and 7000 of T-72. Millitary Reserve does not mean they are broken down and rusted away. These are ready to go.
Lastly, why do you think Russians are going to be putting tanks vs tanks? They have plenty of mobile anti tank platforms to take care of that. 9P149 - Over 870.
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This needs quoting for emphasis!!!
Unless we are directly attacked or another NATO country does and enacts Article 5 we will not get directly involved.
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Paywalled, can't read it.
I'm not sure how many T-90s are actually active and combat ready with the technical problems they've had but it is likely less than 370, on the other hand due to problems with the 90 and 14 they pulled around 2800 T-80s out of retirement and quietly gave them a makeover - they can likely field a lot more than 450 of them and at a relatively modern level of capability. Though I believe they've mostly been sent to Northern and Eastern deployments to rotate out T-72s - which may be related to Ukraine.
Can you provide further explanation about T-90s problems? I'm just curious.
I'm not into the whole tank battleground because I think they are obsolete in modern warfare. Therefore I lack any knowledge.
The quick google only showed problems with Indian T-90's. After more digging, those were made in India not in Russia.
And even those, the issues were found during a tank competition.
But again, I am clueless on subject - perhaps I am missing something.
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They've been plagued by issues in general not a specific problem, poor reliability of the electronics especially fire control systems, some older batches have engine/transmission reliability issues and need servicing after extremely short intervals.
Hence along with the T-14 being delayed they've been putting the T-80s back into service https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ks-soviet-era-back-into-service-a7436951.html and actually is an aspect that is often underestimated as ~2800 out of ~4000 have been upgraded to a modern main battle tank level of capability while all the noise was going on about T-90 and T-14 issues.
Do you have sources for that? Once again, I've quick googled T-90 fire control problems, T-90 Engine problems and T-90 Electronic Issues. No results.
Again, I'm not a tank expert so I do not claim to be wise.
I've been following this stuff on OSINT channels for years - doesn't seem to be much generally on Google other than the export S model issues which are generally similar.
I think you need to put the cap back on the bostik......................
Can you provide sources for this? The T-90 is actively fielded in Syria. So how come is everyone silent on its issues?
All I see is article about Indian made T-90. They are mass producing them to the tune of 2000+
They've been sourcing drones/UAVs from Turkey amongst other stuff drone related.
The US has been flying the Global Hawks, etc. in Ukraine air space and nearby gathering intel over the border into Belarus and Russia.
Russia can't afford the Ukraine, Chernobyl caused the downfall of the USSR in the first placeEU money would stop fixing that place in a instant.
I am not sure Russia are after Ukraine in the conventional sense, I think the massing of troops is a distraction and what we are going to see is the reunification of Belarus and Russia as the start of CCCP mark 2. Taking control of Crimea half made sense as it gave them a major naval strategic advantage in the black sea.
They could be trying to force regime change in Ukraine by effectively encouraging the Russian sympathetic side of the electorate to force out the incumbent who is more aligned to west NATO. They would effectively start saying that the massing of Russian troops is a direct result of his poor policies regarding the west and a such making the country unsafe.
I don't think this is about Putin marching boots to Kiev. Our media is effectively pushing for escalation but I am not so sure that is the end game here.
Has anyone fielded the concern that Ukranian leadership is refusing to implement Minsk agreements?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...rmany-europe-d9a2ed365b58d35274bf0c3c18427e81
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...rmany-europe-d9a2ed365b58d35274bf0c3c18427e81
Given the overall setup it makes sense that they hoped to kick things off by using Russian sympathetic elements, special forces, etc. to effectively stage a coup of sorts then take advantage of the disruption to bring forces in to "stabilise" things, with that as a pre-text, without having to face off against an organised army, etc. - the US seems to have largely put a stop to that with the whole publicly calling out the "plans", etc.
This goes way beyond Belarus though - the kind of hardware we've seen moving about is a poor fit for a Crimea style mostly stealth take over of Belarus and wouldn't require bringing in a heavy amphibious assault setup, etc.
Putin seems to have amped this up beyond just testing president Biden, etc. though - there is a lot of mixed synoptics on this one - on the one hand they've gone to a lot of effort with some aspects like moving a ton of naval assets on the other hand a lot of the equipment being moved around is being done for show for whatever reason.
EDIT: This is the kind of stuff that concerns me though: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1492585299335163906 since the end of last year Russian leadership especially Putin have been pushing a "you made us do it" kind of rhetoric.
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