Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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With Putin being declared a war criminal and Europe weening itself of Russian gas and oil there’s shouldn’t be anything stopping us from declaring Russia as a terrorist state.
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The west seem to be throwing a hell of a lot of time money and weaponry at quelling this cuddly toy
The one thing they do have is lots of crap equipment, so it takes a fair amount of missiles, shells to take them all out. Its a drop in the ocean though, I posted an article yesterday by Max Boot where he pointed out that for just 5% of US annual defence spending the Ukrainians have destroyed 50% of Russia's battlefield military hardware. An absolute bargain.
What time have we thrown at this? We don't have any boots in Ukraine, helping Ukraine with training is a 2 way street as not only will we see how our hardware performs but we get to learn from the Ukrainian troops too.
The west seem to be throwing a hell of a lot of time money and weaponry at quelling this cuddly toy
LoL.
The west has paid peanuts to bring the Russian military 'Bear' myth crumbling down and it's not going to built back up anytime soon.
That and the world has seen how weak it's military and equipment actually are.
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When do you think Mr. Putin will declare defeat and withdraw his troops from Ukraine? And the west's expenditure will end, and living costs return to those of before biting the hand that feeds and heats them? How long before Ukraine has paid us all back for the aid they've demanded? Got any estimates?
Not sure what you're ranting about
Personally, I couldn't care less whether Ukraine pays us back or not. I'm happy for my tax money to go towards supporting those under oppression / invasionI will say that it's possible Russia will learn from this and start the war manufacturing a new with new tech, and engage more in this with China. Will see what the future holds.
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Hard for them to make new tech when they lack stuff due to sanctions though, relies on supply chain elements they can't make.
Yes we should go back to dependency on Russia and let them control even more resources..
What a brilliant idea that cannot backfire.
Demanded, just lol at you.
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There is little doubt the whole world has learned a lot from recent events.
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How about all the aid Ukraine is giving us by sacrificing it's brightest people so we don't have to go and fight knee deep in mud to protect Europe from Russia? Ukrainian blood for western arms, that's the deal and for the west it's a bargain. And if you think the west's expenditure will end when Putin's army is defeated or withdraws your in for a shock and low and behold Russia is now public enemy number 1 and the west will more then likely increase it's spending on military back to cold war levels.
Your expecting things to return to normal after this? There's no normal anymore just a new world order and Russia is going to find itself either an outcast state or a puppet state of China or more very likely find the individual republics of the federation split apart and god only knows what future conflicts that will lead to (and who will have access to it's nuclear weapons). Mr Putin is 100% responsible for all that mess.
The genie is out of the bottle, there is no magical switch to return things to the way it was.
cost of living, if the war ended tomorrow, prices won't just magically reduce, inflation is already on the down turn, but that damage is done it will take years/decades for things to normalise, if they ever do.
To my knowledge there is no stipulation for Ukraine to pay back the cost of military equipment. I don't know about the assistance from IMF etc.
As to when Putin stops? I doubt that scenario will be of his choosing. I don't see the West tiring of providing support, especially when Ukraine are doing such a good job of degrading Russian military capability.
Though I think sadly even if Russian forces were to pull back, I doubt that will be the end of it. Russia will just go back to the drawing board.
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I would suggest it would have been prudent to first arrange a financially similarly equable solution for the supply of fuel and grain that many enjoyed from Russia *BEFORE* alienating them, rather than have the current sky high costs for food and energy now being open ended in their duration thanks to the usual impetuousness. There are many that without government assistance could not possibly meet their bills.
I have long stated on here we, the UK, are grossly over populated and need to address this so we are independent for fuel and basic foodstuffs. We took some heed of the possible dangers, unlike say Germany who despite sage warnings from the then president of the US, made rash choices that are now sowing the seeds for their inflationary economy to get worse. And that after by choice increasing the country's population by about 1.5 million virtually overnight.
There's a lot more to the future direction of this conflict than simple military gains and losses.
The country has had a civil war and a couple of revolutions in the span of 20 years over an issue which isn't really an issue? That doesn't fly. Voting records prove how split the country is over this cultural issue. Like over 90% in the east and Russian speaking parts in favour of being closer to Russia economically and culturally. It's the equivalent of Scotland being 90% in favour of independence from England not being able to have it. Major difference being its a developing nation, violence comes easier when nobody has anything, and only their identity to fight over.
Cuban Missile Crisis proves otherwise and.... cough cough Taiwan
Nuclear holocaust is worse than a localised war. The threat was higher
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Wanting to be closer to Russia economically is rather pointless to me when they could happily have done so even inside the EU, I mean plenty of such countries still trade with Russia don't they?
The referendum in 91 proved they didn't want to be ruled by Moscow and that's all the proof I need.
The referendum in 91 proved they didn't want to be ruled by Moscow and that's all the proof I need.
Think you need to check them figures as when they voted for independence all but Crimea voted over 80% in favour with the latter 54% and the percentage of ethnic Russians in the most East of country only being max 39% apart from crimea again being 58%
Looks pretty fractured and drawn down the lines of Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking to me
How many of those blue areas still want to be part of Russia now that they have come along and "liberated" them by flattening their towns, torturing their friends and forcefully conscripting their male population to be used as cannon meat?
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Isn't it just strange that those initial videos of Donetsk/Luhansk residents saying the invasion was good no longer seem to be coming out?
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