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Sankari said:
African too. Look at Twitter and you'll see throngs of Indians and Africans cheering for Russia.



They didn't achieve it. Democracy was gifted to them by the British, along with the administrative infrastructure that makes it work, and most of the critical technology that keeps their nation alive.
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You don't have to look that far. Check comment section of British tabloids full of Russian supporters.
 
Harlequin said:
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How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years

Recent years have seen a resurgence in nostalgia for the British empire. High-profile books such as Niall Ferguson’s Empire: How Britain Made the Modern
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100 million dead , for those benefits. Yeah no.
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That's an interesting hypothesis, but I'd like to see more hard data before I can consider it plausible. Without that it's just an op-ed.

There were 12 major famines in India between 1769-1944. The combined death toll of the famines was 54 million (upper estimate). I have no doubt that British policies exacerbated these disasters by starving India of resources, but it still leaves us a long way short of 100 million in 40 years.

According to Ira Klein ('Death in India, 1871-1921', The Journal of Asian Studies Vol. 32, No. 4 (Aug., 1973), pp. 639-659) it was the dramatic speed and reckless implementation of modernisation that accelerated Indian mortality.

Combined with existing inequalities that were hardwired into Indian culture (particularly the caste system, which the Indians gleefully employed to suppress and eliminate their less desirable demographics) and the rapacious nature of the Raj, this created a chaotic maelstrom of socio-economic instability and environmental damage:

Historians frequently have assumed that India's economic progress was held back in the late nineteenth century by a massive growth in population. India actually had a relatively low rate of population expansion until the 1920's. The birth rate was among the world's largest, but the death rate was extremely high also, and mortality rates increased between 1871 and 1921.

Death was class-oriented; poor and lower-caste Indians succumbed in far greater proportions than did prosperous Hindus, Muslims, Parsees or Europeans. The economic, social, and environmental changes associated with modernization appear initially to have facilitated the spread of epidemics and the increase in death rates.

Irrigation canals often caused water-logging of the soil and stimulated malaria. Railways, roads, and river embankments disrupted natural water flows and furthered dysentery, cholera, and malaria. Urban crowding and poor city planning helped promote plague, tuberculosis, and other diseases.

Since high mortality rates were linked to a considerable extent with economic conditions, slow population growth should be viewed more as a reflection than a cause of India's lack of dramatic economic progress.
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The same thing happened in Russia when the Soviets were trying to modernise their nation. It also happened in the UK during the Industrial Revolution.
 
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Sankari said:
That's an interesting hypothesis, but I'd like to see more hard data before I can consider it plausible. Without that it's just an op-ed.

There were 12 major famines in India between 1769-1944. The combined death toll of the famines was 54 million (upper estimate). I have no doubt that British policies exacerbated these disasters by starving India of resources, but it still leaves us a long way short of 100 million in 40 years.

According to Ira Klein ('Death in India, 1871-1921', The Journal of Asian Studies Vol. 32, No. 4 (Aug., 1973), pp. 639-659) it was the dramatic speed and reckless implementation of modernisation that accelerated Indian mortality.

Combined with existing inequalities that were hardwired into Indian culture (particularly the caste system, which the Indians gleefully employed to suppress and eliminate their less desirable demographics) and the rapacious nature of the Raj, this created a chaotic maelstrom of socio-economic instability and environmental damage:



The same thing happened in Russia when the Soviets were trying to modernise their nation. It also happened in the UK during the Industrial Revolution.
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Great Leap forward, 5 year plan, Industrial Revolution, Post WW1 Germany (1917 onwards), the real `truth` of civilian deaths will always be subjective , as histories (written, pictograph, oral etc) are only interpreted by those who want to use the,. However i am firmly of the opinion that every mass death event (especially the Aremian Genocide) are vastly under reported in the `body counts`, if only from the long duration evidence of reduction localised waste products after.

Branching off into the East India Company and its conquest of India - via the Ukraine war thread might not be a good idea.
 
~Mike~ said:

The Ukrainian farmers are very innovative.
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When it’s over children in those combat areas will grow up having an aversion to going anywhere near anything metal they see in a field.
Will be casualties years after this stupid thing is over. If Putin and his cronies ever get jailed they should have consecutive sentences added everytime a kid (or anyone really) comes to harm from the ordinance. Eligible for parole in about 200,000 years
 
Harlequin said:
bbcgossip.com

How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years

Recent years have seen a resurgence in nostalgia for the British empire. High-profile books such as Niall Ferguson’s Empire: How Britain Made the Modern
bbcgossip.com bbcgossip.com

100 million dead , for those benefits. Yeah no.
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File that up there with the hyperbolic claims that India's economy would have magically been worth [whatever] trillions of dollars by now if it wasn't for the pesky Britishers.

Sadly famines already occurred there, the presence of a colonial power doesn't magically fix that overnight nor does it necessarily cause that.
 
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