Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Rroff]

It's impossible to stop an airfield from being used unless you're firing thousands of missiles per week just to stop repairs that takes hours at most, realistically only a sizable nuke can cripple an airfield.

Depends on the infrastructure available, etc. if you don't have hardened shelters aircraft are easily destroyed on the ground, fuel infrastructure, etc. can be a significant problem. Ukraine doesn't have a clear run of it - a few (accurate) missiles a week will impact the serviceability of their airbases and ability to perform missions even if repaired in hours.

I don't think it is the biggest problem though, they still manage to maintain some air capability now with only sporadic, often inaccurate, strikes against them - though that might change if their air force became more of a threat. The bigger problem IMO is whether Russia can escalate the air war, which is a somewhat debatable one, but on paper if Russia was forced to escalate the air war the change to the overall dynamic of the war may not be in Ukraine's favour, at least as things stand, while they can't take the war into Russian territory.

 

[NickK]

Did you ever think of taking a day off from being a ********?

Careful folks, or the rozzers will start handing out happy heatwave vacations..

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Did you ever think of taking a day off from being a ********?

More brains in a pork pie. To quote Mr Boycott

 

[Harlequin]

Yeah my bad, I thought we were all just making dumb suggestions.

Did you ever think of taking a day off from being a ********?

See the above

 

[Roar87]

See the above

I mean, suggesting we launch attacks on Russian military targets from NATO air bases is on the same level as setting up a no-fly zone. You're essentially directly involving a NATO aligned country in the conflict. Russia would be fully within it's rights to attack bases in Poland which would trigger article 5, how can people be saying things like that so many months into discussion about this?

 

[Rroff]

I mean, suggesting we launch attacks on Russian military targets from NATO air bases is on the same level as setting up a no-fly zone. You're essentially directly involving a NATO aligned country in the conflict. Russia would be fully within it's rights to attack bases in Poland which would trigger article 5, how can people be saying things like that so many months into discussion about this?

Technically it wouldn't trigger article 5 - NATO charter does not compel aid for a member who is attacked in response to them carrying out an act of aggression i.e. using NATO airbases to launch attacks into Russia which drew a retaliation.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I mean, suggesting we launch attacks on Russian military targets from NATO air bases is on the same level as setting up a no-fly zone. You're essentially directly involving a NATO aligned country in the conflict. Russia would be fully within it's rights to attack bases in Poland which would trigger article 5, how can people be saying things like that so many months into discussion about this?

Its not the same.

Russia has launched and does launch from Belarus, so that makes them an active participant in your eyes. And yet no ones considers them so, although they do frown on it they wouldn't accept Ukraine attacking there.

A no fly zone of NATO aircraft puts NATO assets in the theatre. Using a NATO base would be different.
Although I am sure Russia would agree with you.

 

[Roar87]

Its not the same.

Russia has launched and does launch from Belarus, so that makes them an active participant in your eyes. And yet no ones considers them so, although they do frown on it they wouldn't accept Ukraine attacking there.

A no fly zone of NATO aircraft puts NATO assets in the theatre. Using a NATO base would be different.
Although I am sure Russia would agree with you.

So do you think Ukraine should launch aircraft from Poland? The US could donate B-2's and launch missions from the UK as well.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

So do you think Ukraine should launch aircraft from Poland? The US could donate B-2's and launch missions from the UK as well.

Do I think they should? No.
Because I think it would play into Putins hands.
It gives him an excuse for escalation and whilst I think that would be very unlikely to be strikes on Poland, keeping his potential excuses for escalation reduced should IMO be kept whenever we reasonably could.

If Putin brought Poland into this war hes done, 100%.
I would fear it could be the escalation needed to "defend" Russia with nukes.

The US could indeed.
In other highly unlikely things that could happen Musk could stop being a moron (at times). Boris could stop lying, as could Trump.
Brain dead MAGAs could see the light.

IF however Ukraine were reduced to needing to fly sorties from another country because their bases were screwed then if Poland wanted to allow that, I would support it.

 

[Harlequin]

Israel plans first-ever sale of flagship Merkava tank to European country

Israeli defense products are seeing record demand due to the high cost of supplying Ukraine in its fight against Russia's invasion.

www.jpost.com

Israel to sell Merkava 2 and 3 to a european country with US backing

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Israel plans first-ever sale of flagship Merkava tank to European country

Israeli defense products are seeing record demand due to the high cost of supplying Ukraine in its fight against Russia's invasion.

www.jpost.com

Israel to sell Merkava 2 and 3 to a european country with US backing

Thats interesting since from what I have read it is recognised as the best desert tank going.
I am not sure which European nation in that regard would see the Merkava as the best solution.
I suppose if it was to swap out some previous generation (eg Leopards) then Spain / France would he high on that list as potential countries.

 

[Harlequin]

Thats interesting since from what I have read it is recognised as the best desert tank going.
I am not sure which European nation in that regard would see the Merkava as the best solution.
I suppose if it was to swap out some previous generation (eg Leopards) then Spain / France would he high on that list as potential countries.

Cyprus, and they can send their T80`s to Ukraine (thats my guess)

 

[Scougar]

Cyprus, and they can send their T80`s to Ukraine (thats my guess)

Shout out to my old haunt.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Cyprus, and they can send their T80`s to Ukraine (thats my guess)

Ah yes good call, actually greece may well be interested as well. Currently rocking leopards inc. a lot of Leo 1s

 

[Hagar]

Russia didn't want to be helped.

The first thing to happen after perestroika was they deposed it's architect and installed a drunk as his successor. He began the slide to a mafia state and subsequently installed an ex KGB chap called Putin to be his successor.

What could a world superpower like Russia need from the US or Europe in terms of assistance.

 

[Harlequin]

Rafael unveils ‘Sky Sonic’ hypersonic missile interceptor - Breaking Defense

Rafael plans to market Sky Sonic at the upcoming Paris Air Show, as it targets the European market.

breakingdefense.com

They do say war spurs development and quickly

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Sure if your goal is to weaken Russia, it would also be better to have them as a trading partner rather than an global political adversary. That's what should have happened after the USSR collapsed.

You really have got some front. Germany/Angela Merkle's whole plan for buying gas from Russia was if they made Russia a trading partner it would stop Putin being aggressive and invading sovereign countries. A policy you criticised Germany for. Now you take the opposite view point.

And you've made the claim in the past that areas of Ukraine are ethnically Russia as a justification for Russia getting to keep those areas in some forced peace treaty. Now you don't seen to be mentioning that.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Did you ever think of taking a day off from being a ********?

Why do you have to resort to calling people name blah blah blah

 

[Roar87]

You really have got some front. Germany/Angela Merkle's whole plan for buying gas from Russia was if they made Russia a trading partner it would stop Putin being aggressive and invading sovereign countries. A policy you criticised Germany for. Now you take the opposite view point.

And you've made the claim in the past that areas of Ukraine are ethnically Russia as a justification for Russia getting to keep those areas in some forced peace treaty. Now you don't seen to be mentioning that.

It was a solid idea to build economic bridges, the problem is that they went from buying 10% Russian oil to 50%, which was obviously not a good move.

Never said ethnically, not sure what that even means as it's quite obvious people will have moved between Ukraine and Russia for thousands of years, they were mostly Russian speakers in East Ukraine and Crimea however.

 

[alchal]

Thats interesting since from what I have read it is recognised as the best desert tank going.
I am not sure which European nation in that regard would see the Merkava as the best solution.
I suppose if it was to swap out some previous generation (eg Leopards) then Spain / France would he high on that list as potential countries.

It's designed more for rugged terrain ie the Golan heights, very rocky.

Also has far better roof top protection than other western mbts due to the IDF tanks having to do lots of close in work inside towns etc.

Wonder if they will have it kitted out with trophy as well.