And are you going to randomly shell the urban cities of the country?
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And are you going to randomly shell the urban cities of the country?
They've already used it in Syria and they have a rather blase take on civilian casualties unfortunately, it's not all going to be urban warfare either - I doubt they'd have any issues at all with targeting an airport/military airbase or any concentration of Ukrainian armour, artillery etc.. with such a weapon.
What older stock are you referring to? Germany blocked the howitzers which were Soviet gear. Javelins and NLAWs aren't exactly old though, Baltic states have supplied US-made stingers - they're still useful.
If the west/NATO were to support an insurgency they're certainly not confined to just passing off old munitions, we've already seen that isn't the case re: what they've supplied already.
The difference is that the Russia wants the Ukrainians to become Russian.. formatting the country landscape is only going to make a hostile community. Syria isn't specifically part of the new russia that Putin wants. It just wants control over the resources.
That's true and a fair point but this is a fundamental difference in doctrine in general, I'm not suggesting they're going to carpet bomb cities etc.. but they're not as invested in precision munitions/will happily drop dumb/unguided munitions, civilian casualties don't seem to phase them too much re: the fighting we've seen over the past few years from the breakaway regions either - essentially their tolerance for collateral damage here is much higher.
I didn't intend to go into specifics because both new and old platforms are useful in the correct scenarios but the variables grow over time. The stock of active weapons tends to be cycled as the components tend to degrade and age over time (ie inbuilt batteries, rocket motors and warheads age). If the seekers and the weapon effective then it's still a threat to the Russians.
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Didn't the likes of the Challenger and Abrahams make absolute mincemeat of outdate tanks in the gulf war? if that's the sort of gear they will be up against then seems to be minimal issue.
The loss of life to the Russians, even if only semi skill and trained crews will likely be worse than the gear going bang.
The Russian precision in an urban situation is the infantry. Agreed that the older instances of Russia vs X in urban situations, have tended to be shelling into submission. However Putin will look a little ridiculous to the Russian public if his rescue turns Russian cities into the west-bank decay. Although it would send a signal of "don't **** with me" which resonates in the Russian psyche.
On the whole, I agree - Russians don't do subtle. They don't see the point.
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Not if the father of all bombs are dropped on them.
I would point out the sand/flat structure of the desert is easier to transverse cross country. The terrain in Ukraine is different in that regard. More roads but then you're sitting ducks and easily spotted.
True point though. So that would also highlight the obvious question - why keep mothballed armour that's outdated and people aren't familiar with?
In a squeeze you'll take a old tank because it's more of a threat at a bridge crossing than a man with a hand gun. I suspect that the Ukranian Russian originated platforms aren't cutting edge either.
Pressure waves are the modern killer and they go around bends and reflect off hard surfaces.
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Possibly to make your military look bigger and more capable to the people who just look at headline numbers, plus I suppose they have lots of land to defend, so some capability is better than none.
The problem with this is that in the 75 years since WW2 artillery has changed completely. Back then it was a case of have dozens of then fire at a target repeatedly for 5 minutes and probability says you have a good chance of hitting near it. Modern artillery pieces are a case of dial the GPS coordinates of your target into the computer, let it account for angles and wind, hit the fire button and your shell should land within a couple of meters of your target point.
Russia didn't care about the resources of Syria, they just didn't want extremists to take over a country that's closer to Russia than Edinburgh is to London, and unlike the west had no qualms about propping up Assad's dictatorship to achieve it.
I wonder if Russia would opt for cluster bombing operations in Ukraine like they did in Syria?
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The translation on this made me laugh
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