Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
I think you're struggling to keep up a little here since you previously thought the Ukrainian government was backed by Russia in 2014, while simultaneously fighting Russian backed separatists, which makes absolutely zero sense.

Both sides have used cluster bombs, Ukraine used them as far back as 2014, Russia has also used them. Cluster bombs are bad because they kill children, it doesn't matter on who's territory or for what reason, in 50 years when a lot of us will be dead some kid will likely be blown up by actions taken today. This is bad and there isn't justification, the UK government agrees with this position and made it's views clear to Joe Biden.
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Are you really arguing ‘think of the children’ and pointing the finger at the Ukrainians after what Putin has made them endure?

Putin has mined an area close to the size of England and Wales and used hundreds of thousands of much more barbaric munitions.
 
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Mr Jack said:
This isn't true. Plenty of Western launched cluster bombs have had unacceptable levels of civilian deaths. One hundred and eight countries haven't ratified the Convention on Cluster Munitions because they're silly little **********.
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Bombs and missiles kill. US cluster bombs have something like a 2% failure rate. If they are used a lot then there will be a lot of civilian deaths both from their initial use and later from those 2% that didn't explode. Mines are way way worse than cluster bombs though. Its going to take years to clear Ukraine of those.
 
Wannabe US presidential candidate says his goal is for Putin to either win the war or result in a truce. He says he will work towards letting Putin keep the 4 regions he annexed and also block Ukraine from moving West and he says he will happily visit Putin in Moscow

Oh and by the way, Elon Musk wants to vote for this guy

 
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Grim5 said:
Wannabe US presidential candidate says his goal is for Putin to either win the war or result in a truce. He says he will work towards letting Putin keep the 4 regions he annexed and also block Ukraine from moving West

Oh and by the way, Elon Musk wants to vote for this guy

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I mean it also says he wants China to invade Taiwan if he wins.
 
Grim5 said:
Wannabe US presidential candidate says his goal is for Putin to either win the war or result in a truce. He says he will work towards letting Putin keep the 4 regions he annexed and also block Ukraine from moving West and he says he will happily visit Putin in Moscow

Oh and by the way, Elon Musk wants to vote for this guy

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If he wins I’m sure Putin will have tea waiting for him on arrival.
 
Grim5 said:
Wannabe US presidential candidate says his goal is for Putin to either win the war or result in a truce. He says he will work towards letting Putin keep the 4 regions he annexed and also block Ukraine from moving West and he says he will happily visit Putin in Moscow

Oh and by the way, Elon Musk wants to vote for this guy

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That's democracy though. Like it or not, some people are going to have a different opinion, regardless how idiotic.

Hopefully their actual real world voting support isn't half as much as the bots on twitter would have you believe.

Elon Musk still only gets 1 vote.
 
Bug One said:
That's democracy though. Like it or not, some people are going to have a different opinion, regardless how idiotic.

Hopefully their actual real world voting support isn't half as much as the bots on twitter would have you believe.

Elon Musk still only gets 1 vote.
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Yes but he's able to influence millions and I wouldn't put it past him to use Twitter to help his preferred candidate and hurt those he doesn't want to win.
 
Roar87 said:
It was pointed out that Ukraine is justified in using cluster bombs because Russia had also used them, I pointed out Ukraine actually started using them in 2014. I'm done with this ignorance for today.
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This is true but it's also omitting the most important parts of the information.

1: The "use by Ukraine" in 2014 consisted of Russian backed Ukrainian separatists (reinforced by Russian soldiers on vacation, the Kremlins actual explanation for their presence) firing them on the Ukrainian military and their bases.
2: While it's claimed that the Ukrainian military fired some back in response this has never been proven as the only evidence was casings from rockets that "could" carry cluster munitions.
3: In any case neither side was accused of using cluster bombs, they were accused of using MRLS cluster munitions, which isn't great but it's significantly better than cluster bombs as they actually hit the troops/tanks they're supposed to.
4: Ukraine didn't start using US made cluster bombs until 2022, after Russia had already been using them for some time.

Finally you're attempt to make out that both sides are just as bad falls flat due to the fact one side is an invading horde and the other is defending it's home. If a drug addict brakes into a mans house and stabs him and his family to death would you say that they were both just as bad because the man grabbed a knife from the kitchen to try and defend himself and his family?
 
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