Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ubersonic said:
1: Russia have controlled the Donbas/Luhanks regions they currently hold since 2014, it's just previously they were held by "Ukrainian separatists" loyal to Putin, this war has actually made their Donbas position worse for them as they're now under constant fire.
2: The land bridge to Crimea wasn't needed before because of the actual bridge to Crimea, ironically this war has made it needed due to said bridge repeatedly catching a nasty case of explosions.
3: No they were not Putin's strategic objectives, maybe he fell back to holding that territory as an objective once the first 50 objectives fell through but no that was not an objective when he started the war.
4: Honestly this is comical Ali levels of denial at this point xD
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Even if you take what the Russians have achieved as 'success', it's come at an enormous cost in manpower, equipment, prestige and the economy.

It might seem like the Russians have time on their side, but that is more time for their economy to suffer - the same doesn't apply to Ukraine as its allies are paying it's bills, it doesn't have to self finance. In many wars before, the defending nation has just had to keep resisting until the invading nation tires of the expense and losses and decides it's just not worth it and walks away. Ukraine just needs to keep it painful for Russia.

Before this war, Russia was considered a serious threat and the No2 military power - I don't think it can be viewed in the same way now as it has to go cap in hand to NK and Iran for help.
 
Maybe but regime change in Russia is highly unlikly its had to many years behind closed doors, the internal powerbase is such that they will just close up continue being disruptive, up the hacking to gain whatever tech/process/plans they can get and rebuild the military. Only this time corruption will be monitored from above much more closely.
 
Just wondering how much china still feel russia is a viable partner rather than a simple target to screw over with investment and trade deals.
It used to be china needed russia for their nuclear knowhow but those days are long gone. Now it’s keep the cheap oil coming in return for components for armaments.
I get the feeling that china is holding back the weapons just incase that causes them to show their real hand.
I can’t believe china is quite as corrupt as it russia was but.. you know that could be a very awkward truth.

As the progress slows so the tactics will change - starving out the russian troops with the weather making it impossible to retreat or get sugficient supplies.. but he drones above keeping them in the trenches and tunnels..
 
Ultimately, it is China now propping up Russia as a proxy for a new cold war, same as they do with North Korea. If China turned around today and actually cut Russia off, they'd fold in no time.

The worse this gets for Putin, the more of Russia he'll be willing to sign away to Xi to keep himself in power.
 
Roar87 said:
Well, Russia control the Donbas and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Those were pretty much Putins strategic objectives and unless something drastic happens in the next few weeks that'll remain the case for the rest of this year. The longer the war goes on, the more Russia will grow into it in terms of recruitment, training, and digging in to their positions.
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At best, Vladolf has secured the Russian people 10 years of trench warfare, death and economic misery. The longer the war goes on, the weaker Putler and the Russian federation will become. Belarus is only Russian because of Putlers ability to project power and Putler couldn’t take on an uprisings within the federation.
 
Roar87 said:
Well, Russia control the Donbas and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Those were pretty much Putins strategic objectives and unless something drastic happens in the next few weeks that'll remain the case for the rest of this year. The longer the war goes on, the more Russia will grow into it in terms of recruitment, training, and digging in to their positions.
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Riiight. That column of tanks headed towards Kyiv was just a ploy to keep a land bridge in the Donbas.

Russis has already lost - and will keep loosing until it's completely ejected from Ukraine.
 
Roar87 said:
Well, Russia control the Donbas and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Those were pretty much Putins strategic objectives and unless something drastic happens in the next few weeks that'll remain the case for the rest of this year. The longer the war goes on, the more Russia will grow into it in terms of recruitment, training, and digging in to their positions.
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Stop lying
 
From Reddit: BREAKING: Ukrainian Military Intelligence (GUR) says Ukraine has liberated oil and gas drilling platforms near the coast of Crimea in the Black Sea, Boyka Towers. Russia occupied them in 2015, and with the beginning of the full-scale invasion, used them for military purposes.
 
Bug One said:
Riiight. That column of tanks headed towards Kyiv was just a ploy to keep a land bridge in the Donbas.

Russis has already lost - and will keep loosing until it's completely ejected from Ukraine.
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Yes, Ukraine defended Kyiv in the initial weeks of the war stopping the attempt to decapitate the Ukrainian government. And that was early 2022. We're now at the back end of 2023 and Russia controls most of the East and South East of Ukraine, the offensive hasn't retaken much ground despite all the hype around Western equipment and training, and for the ground Ukraine has recaptured they've taken heavy losses (as the BBC alluded to https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217). We're now heading into Winter which could see most of those losses reversed and Russia consolidate the gains they've made.
Strategically Russia has secured Crimea which gives them access to the Black Sea, they control the Eastern parts of Ukraine where largely Russian speaking folk live, and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Ukraine actually doesn't have a military big enough to retake this land, they've suffered something like 25% casualties to regain some tiny bulge of land. They can't afford to lose that many men and have a force able to defend the rest of their country. I'm not here to cheer Russia on, I'm here to give people a reality check. The war needs to end because it's unwinnable, it's damaging all our economies.
On top of that the West over leveraged ourselves politically and we've pushed a lot of fringe nations away because they're now scared of us after seeing the sanctions we put on Russia. No one now wants to be under the thumb of the US financial system because it can and will be used as a weapon if they step out of line, so you'll see a lot of them move towards Brics. This whole thing is a complete mess and a failure of leadership.
 
Grim5 said:
Stop lying
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Indeed..

Russia can't even convey what they wanted because they kept loosing and kept changing the message.

They wanted the entire country, but were incapable, so had to keep changing the message to save face to their own people.

If they lose Crimea, we'll see the message change again. If they lose Zap ot Donbas, message will... you guessed it.. change again.
 
Roar87 said:
How? Amphibious landing? Have you even looked at a map?

By the way, it's "losing", not "loosing".
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Thanks - that's an important point you picked up on.

You're right - it would be impossible to attack Crimea directly. Ukraine have no idea how to conduct an ampbibious assult, and Russia's defences are so strong, they'd never get through.
 
Roar87 said:
Yes, Ukraine defended Kyiv in the initial weeks of the war stopping the attempt to decapitate the Ukrainian government. And that was early 2022. We're now at the back end of 2023 and Russia controls most of the East and South East of Ukraine, the offensive hasn't retaken much ground despite all the hype around Western equipment and training, and for the ground Ukraine has recaptured they've taken heavy losses (as the BBC alluded to https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217). We're now heading into Winter which could see most of those losses reversed and Russia consolidate the gains they've made.
Strategically Russia has secured Crimea which gives them access to the Black Sea, they control the Eastern parts of Ukraine where largely Russian speaking folk live, and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Ukraine actually doesn't have a military big enough to retake this land, they've suffered something like 25% casualties to regain some tiny bulge of land. They can't afford to lose that many men and have a force able to defend the rest of their country. I'm not here to cheer Russia on, I'm here to give people a reality check. The war needs to end because it's unwinnable, it's damaging all our economies.
On top of that the West over leveraged ourselves politically and we've pushed a lot of fringe nations away because they're now scared of us after seeing the sanctions we put on Russia. No one now wants to be under the thumb of the US financial system because it can and will be used as a weapon if they step out of line, so you'll see a lot of them move towards Brics. This whole thing is a complete mess and a failure of leadership.
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Russia haven’t made gains. Russia is being pushed back and rapidly demilitarised at an impressive rate.

It’s for the Ukrainian and to a lesser extent Russian people to decide how and when this war ends.
 
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I don't suppose there is an easy map somewhere showing the areas liberated by Ukraine since the start of 2023 and the new areas captured by Russia in the same period?
 
Roar87 said:
Yes, Ukraine defended Kyiv in the initial weeks of the war stopping the attempt to decapitate the Ukrainian government. And that was early 2022. We're now at the back end of 2023 and Russia controls most of the East and South East of Ukraine, the offensive hasn't retaken much ground despite all the hype around Western equipment and training, and for the ground Ukraine has recaptured they've taken heavy losses (as the BBC alluded to https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217). We're now heading into Winter which could see most of those losses reversed and Russia consolidate the gains they've made.
Strategically Russia has secured Crimea which gives them access to the Black Sea, they control the Eastern parts of Ukraine where largely Russian speaking folk live, and they've secured a land bridge to Crimea. Ukraine actually doesn't have a military big enough to retake this land, they've suffered something like 25% casualties to regain some tiny bulge of land. They can't afford to lose that many men and have a force able to defend the rest of their country. I'm not here to cheer Russia on, I'm here to give people a reality check. The war needs to end because it's unwinnable, it's damaging all our economies.
On top of that the West over leveraged ourselves politically and we've pushed a lot of fringe nations away because they're now scared of us after seeing the sanctions we put on Russia. No one now wants to be under the thumb of the US financial system because it can and will be used as a weapon if they step out of line, so you'll see a lot of them move towards Brics. This whole thing is a complete mess and a failure of leadership.
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What absolute nonsense. Russia is an embarassment on the world stage, and it's getting utterly humiliated on the battlefield.

If you think surviving until winter is going to buy you some kind of reprieve - you're very mistaken.
 
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