Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Attached: 1 image Pro-Russian source Rybar claims Ukraine attacked with a combination of GLSDB and ATACMS this morning at Berdyansk airport. According to him, a total of 6 missiles were launched of which 3 hit their target. "An ammunition depot was hit, and several helicopters received varying...
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Pro-Russian source Rybar claims Ukraine attacked with a combination of GLSDB and ATACMS this morning at Berdyansk airport. According to him, a total of 6 missiles were launched of which 3 hit their target.
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Lets see how this develops.
 
bris said:
Well that would be disappointing, I would have thought the ability to hit crucial targets further away than they can reach now would be a major benefit.

Take a Train carrying 1000 containers for instance, hitting that just as it enters Russia would not just be a significant blow logistically for the Russians it would also be a demoralising one for them.

Knowing nowhere is safe would be priceless.
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I wouldn't be to disappointed, the lack of air cover has been a thown in the flesh during Ukraine's counter offensive this summer. Russia has been able to counter attack with glided bombs from their MIG's and SU aircraft from outside the range Ukrainian SAM systems, having the F-16 will hopefully make the Russian airforce think twice before flying such missions. They can still do ground attack and enemy anti air suppression which will be a lot easier in F-16 then trying to do it in a jury rigged MIG-29 (I understand the main benefit is the pilot in a F-16 can programme adjustments to weapons whilst in the air where as JDAMS for example released from a MIG has to be setup and preped before take off). For crucial targets further away Ukraine will ATACMS, much safer to use a 300km missile then risk your best pilots flying enemy territory.

Just remember there's no one weapon that will win this, it's a combination of all these weapon platforms working in tandem that will unlock the battlefield along with the maintenance and logistics. Hopefully F-16's will be last piece of the puzzle although realistically Ukraine really needs to get the number of aircraft up to make a difference, these initial pilots that are getting trained by NATO countries are probably best used to train new pilots rather then risk them in frontline combat IMO (train the trainer model).
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Just remember there's no one weapon that will win this, it's a combination of all these weapon platforms working in tandem that will unlock the battlefield along with the maintenance and logistics.
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No - but a bit more vision and effort in terms of getting anti-drone systems, especially light truck born systems with a slightly scaled down system like the Terrahawk Paladin, mobile anti-air systems which can deal with a variety of medium range air threats like the Supacat HMT ASRAAM setup (probably wouldn't hurt to have a Brimstone setup on similar as well) and better supply of mobile artillery systems and ammo would go a long way to turning the tide.

EDIT: Dunno what the state of the Jordanian Challengers is and there is apparently some political awkwardness to an open and direct request for some reason, but if they are in running order it wouldn't hurt, if the were willing, to buy back say 80-100 hulls and either renovate them to a reasonable standard and/or convert them into something similar to the BMPT - from recent footage Ukraine could definitely do with something a bit heavier armoured which could be used as an assault vehicle with hunter-killer mode type rapid fire weapons while retaining some ATGM capability.

EDIT2: What I would say though is this is relatively short-sighted thinking in terms of overall strategy, more about giving Ukrainian forces more breathing room to do their work and gain the upper hand, it still needs longer/further reaching capabilities/strategy to render Russia's command/decision making ineffective and remove some of the threats like aviation from the battlefield entirely and/or make them too costly for Russia to use.
 
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Now did they get block 1 or block 1a? And is it just the cluster version they got? I guess over the next few weeks we will find out.

If the block 1a all of Ukraine is in range.
 
Freddie1980 said:
One of missiles that was used had a manufacturing date of October 1996. I wonder if these things have a shelf life?
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Usually for stuff like this 20-25 years, though some stuff might be a lot less. My dad went to an event once where they were using up MILAN missiles which were coming up on the end of their shelf-life!
 
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Grim5 said:
Russia has been found using artillery shells made in 1947. So clearly the shell life on many types of ammunition is very long!
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Yeah some of this stuff can last 50 odd years if stored properly, or in the case of Russia storing so much a certain percentage of it still works.

Not to say it is a good idea to use it after that long.
 
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