Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alec said:
As opposed to peacefully deploying? I agree, all overseas bases should be removed.

Accelerated the join, such decisions are not made overnight.
Ukraine was merely a useful event to sway public opinion and finally commit to joining openly.
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Accelerated would suggest they were in the process of joining anyway, That's not true. It was Mad Russians suggesting they were going to "take back" big chunks of their countries after easily dispatching the traitorous Ukrainians that made them even apply.

Ukraine wasn't merely a useful event, it was a stark reality check that yes, these Russians be crazy. and a serious threat to peace in Europe.
 
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Sythe79 said:
Accelerated would suggest they were in the process of joining anyway, That's not true.
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Oh cool
Apparently decisions of state importance, involving joining a military alliance which Finland avoided since WW2 and Sweden... since Napoleonic wars
...can be made willy-nilly at a snap of a finger just because some politicians think there is a "new" threat somewhere.

Or maybe there were years if not decades of NATO partnership, military exercises, unifying weapon standards
and most importantly, preparing your population for this through constant media barrage.
 
alec said:
Oh cool
Apparently decisions of state importance, involving joining a military alliance which Finland avoided since WW2 and Sweden... since Napoleonic wars
...can be made willy-nilly at a snap of a finger just because some politicians think there is a "new" threat somewhere.

Or maybe there were years if not decades of NATO partnership, military exercises, unifying weapon standards
and most importantly, preparing your population for this through constant media barrage.
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Yeah, it was the Evil NATO's all along, in fact Russian didn't even invade, the USA probably just hacked their GPS.

The desperate scrambling around by politicians all over Europe and trying to appease Turkey to let them in quickly.... all just for show
 
alec said:
Oh cool
Apparently decisions of state importance, involving joining a military alliance which Finland avoided since WW2 and Sweden... since Napoleonic wars
...can be made willy-nilly at a snap of a finger just because some politicians think there is a "new" threat somewhere.

Or maybe there were years if not decades of NATO partnership, military exercises, unifying weapon standards
and most importantly, preparing your population for this through constant media barrage.
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Or Sweden and Finland didn’t like what Russia had planned for the region and didn’t fancy a spell of Vladolf’s medievalism.

Russia is the reason for both joining NATO. I don’t think either nation would have considered joining NATO if it wasn’t for the level of Russian aggression shown towards the Ukrainians and Vladolf’s position on the Russian conquest of the region.
 
Grim5 said:
The victim syndrome is strong
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Only the first and last people interviewed have concerns for NATO and even then, it's more from a lack of understanding than fear.

The others are fed up with broken roads etc. not really the threat of NATO.
 
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XPE said:


That would gut more armies :eek:
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Russia has capture territory in the area of Avdiivka but the minor gains haven't been towards the town but rather out from it. At some point there going to have to try and close that circle or risk getting isolated, at the moment their just expanding for the sake of it without any real meaningful benefit.
 
Out of curiosity with all of these severe losses, just how long would Russia be willing to go on for? I don't understand the long term goal, even if they achieve more territory their army will be so weakened it will take decades to recover, is it just a case of they're in too deep to save face now? Because no matter the outcome they're a much weaker army for it
 
alec said:
Oh cool
Apparently decisions of state importance, involving joining a military alliance which Finland avoided since WW2 and Sweden... since Napoleonic wars
...can be made willy-nilly at a snap of a finger just because some politicians think there is a "new" threat somewhere.

Or maybe there were years if not decades of NATO partnership, military exercises, unifying weapon standards
and most importantly, preparing your population for this through constant media barrage.
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As one falls, another one rises.

Do you guys get tired of the Russian propaganda or nah.
 
AssaTM said:
Out of curiosity with all of these severe losses, just how long would Russia be willing to go on for? I don't understand the long term goal, even if they achieve more territory their army will be so weakened it will take decades to recover, is it just a case of they're in too deep to save face now? Because no matter the outcome they're a much weaker army for it
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One of the big problems with dictatorships is that when the dictator makes a massive mistake and then decides the best thing to do it to just try and just push on through with it in the hope of coming out the other end. They are able to push much longer and harder than any democracy would allow.
 
AssaTM said:
Out of curiosity with all of these severe losses, just how long would Russia be willing to go on for? I don't understand the long term goal, even if they achieve more territory their army will be so weakened it will take decades to recover, is it just a case of they're in too deep to save face now? Because no matter the outcome they're a much weaker army for it
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Crimea - or, more specifically, its port - is strategically important to Russia, and Crimea is difficult to make viable without a connection across land to Russia itself.

But, mostly, this isn't about Russia or even Russian interests. It's about Putin and Putin's interests. Having sunk himself into the mire of Ukraine, he cannot extract himself without massive loss of face. Everyone in Russia knows that Putin won't be around forever. He's already 71, and so quiet conversations about mounting a challenge for the succession will already be underway in the halls of power, if he's seen not only as ageing but also as weak then it's likely to do for him. Besides, Putin is obsessed with the fall of the USSR and Russia's role in the world; he sees securing Russian control over Ukraine - or at least the part of it East of the river - as part of him securing his legacy as a great Russian leader.
 
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