Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Since the point where they started pushing Russia back they have reclaimed well over 50% of the land Russia originally captured.
While demilitarising one of the largest mechanised ground forces ever assembled within the constraints of its own territory. Simply an outstanding performance from the Ukrainians.
Well here's a reality check for you, if Ukraine agreed to a truce, ceasefire, settlement, whatever, it would be signed by the very same Russian Diplomat who negotiated and co-signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 (Yes Lavrov's been around that long lol). Promising to respect Ukraine's borders and never use force against them.
It's all well and good to say Ukraine should consider negotiating with Russia if it brings an end to the war, however you're asking them to negotiate with a modern day mash up of Napoleon and Hitler who happens to be a pathological liar and is currently attacking them with a literal horde of heavily armed war criminals. Not just that but you want them to give him an area of their country the size of Scotland to make him stop, full in the knowledge that he will then rearm, resupply and carry on.
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Germany is really stepping up support for Ukraine.
Germany’s support for Ukraine ‘will be massively expanded’
Foreign minister Annalena Baerbock pledged to help Ukraine through the coming winter months.www.bordercountiesadvertizer.co.uk
Well done Germany. We need to do the same.
And the French.
The last significant land that was retaken was over a year ago during the 2022 Kharkiv counter offensive which was a great success for Ukraine. The gains in 2023 however have been extremely minimal and have cost tens of thousands of lives. Russia now has defense in depth, both sides do, which is why the war is at a stale mate.
I'm assuming you're basing that off the current situation at Avdiivka?
That isn't a case of neither side being able to advance, that is a case Russia trying to advance and Ukraine preventing them from doing so, while they're advancing in other areas, such as building a beachhead across the Dnipro and flooding hardware over.
Honestly you sound like Comical Ali at this point xD
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Regardless of what happens next, Ukraine needs arming to the teeth if it’s going to secure any lasting peace.
The arms need to keep flowing. Making them conditional on any kind of deal just weakens their hand.
They can win this war, it’s just a question of whether it’s worth winning. All the Russians need to know is the answer to that question is yes.
The arms need to keep flowing. Making them conditional on any kind of deal just weakens their hand.
They can win this war, it’s just a question of whether it’s worth winning. All the Russians need to know is the answer to that question is yes.
Oof, the Germans and now the French are stepping up. We definitely need to get our finger out.
I'm assuming you're basing that off the current situation at Avdiivka?
That isn't a case of neither side being able to advance, that is a case Russia trying to advance and Ukraine preventing them from doing so, while they're advancing in other areas, such as building a beachhead across the Dnipro and flooding hardware over.
Honestly you sound like Comical Ali at this point xD
Ok, so you disagree with the Ukrainian General Valerii Zaluzhnyi who said it's a stale mate, because you know better than he does. You think they're going to make significant advances over the Dnipro? Like what is your actual stated position on where this war is heading over the next 3-6 months?
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Just been going through the latest video updates on reddit and I see Lieutenant Dan has made an appearance.
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Lord Jaffa is as deluded as Roar and they believe that Russia will stick to any agreements they make to stop the war now. They don't believe Putin will remake the Russian military and finish the job as soon as the next opportunity arises. As Roar has said himself in this thread, why would Putin lie?
I would also attack the posters if my arguments were as weak as yours.
Mostly lobbing missiles at each others infrastructure and stalemate on the front lines.
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Well you are the one who believes he'd stick to any deal he might agree to. Just about everyone else knows he's a lying, murdering POS war criminal who kidnaps children, mass murders civilians and breaks any word he might give without a second thought.
And? as Colonel_Klinck posted not long ago - Putin was all like trust me I'm not going to invade days before he did, to suggest there is any grounds there for negotiations in good faith is just taking the **** and anyone suggesting it is rightly ridiculed and I don't say that lightly - I struggle to believe they believe that themselves it is just too stupid a thing to suggest so either a bot/or useful idiot or trolling.
The current situation leaves very little room even for some kind of situation where what is unoccupied of Ukraine becomes in some way part of NATO, the risks of a NATO vs Russia escalation are just too high for that to realistically happen any time soon if ever.
I don't think Putin actually did say they wouldn't invade, he said it depends on the response of NATO on agreeing to their terms, which were that Ukraine mustn't join NATO and that we should station fewer troops in Eastern Europe. Apparently hundreds of thousands of men had to die with the eventual result that Ukraine won't join NATO anyway because it would mean a war between NATO and Russia, which no sane Western leader wants. So basically we may as well have agreed to their terms because the end result has just been much worse. We called Putins bluff and now we're stuck in this sunk cost fallacy, refusing to negotiate and agree to the original terms, which aren't even unreasonable historically by the way (compared to say the US pulling missiles out of Turkey after the Cuban missile crisis), just to save face. What is funny is that Zelensky originally was angry at the West for telling people Russia was going to invade because the idea was damaging to Ukraine.
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Shame they can't come up with a peace solution whereby Ukraine agree not to join NATO but with a proviso that if Russia invade again, it immediately becomes an automatic member.
If Russia never invade, they aren't a member and can't have NATO troops/weapons etc on Ukrainian soil.
If Russia never invade, they aren't a member and can't have NATO troops/weapons etc on Ukrainian soil.
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