EU announced but I’m sure this will be a synchronise start of sanctions. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-mooted-12541713?postid=3395085#liveblog-body
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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US sanctions too
Looks like all that Russian hardware has started crossing over the border that no longer exists
Those are very toothless sanctions. Again, its not like anyone was allowed to trade with Crimea, DNR and LNR previously. Its like calling Kettle a .... KETTLE.
Nothing has changed.
I hope this is de-escalation. I assume this was discussed behind doors and agreed before, we're just seeing dong waving for public. Once again, if everything stops here - everyone comes out with a piece of a win.
What you see on TV is in most cases just a show for the plebs (us). The big boys call directly to discuss plan of action.
I agree they appear to be quite weak sanctions at this stage, but this is not a de-escalation.
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Stop kidding yourself with all this de-escalation and off ramp rhetoric. It’s a significant escalation whether you like it or not.
Again, time will tell. I said it is my opinion. I'm simply seeing that this gives everyone a way out without losing face. The biggest conflicts come when there is no such option.
In coming days or weeks we will see what happens. I do not know for sure either.
Was about to say that too - literally everyone says it's a titanic escalation, basically one step before a full blown invasion.
Braced. It’s going to kick off now.
Because once again, it allows everyone to go home declaring themselves a winner. Once again, this is a nothing-burger that people are blowing out of proportion to signify its importance.
Putin has invaded these lands along with Crimea in 2015. He simply admitted that Donbass is under his control, something UK/USA/NATO/Ukraine already knew.
There is reason why these US sanctions are toothless, basically prohibiting trade with DNR LNR (It was a case before same as Crimea).
The strong US sanctions were 'IF RUSSIA INVADES FURTHER'.
I just saw these and was going to post them MC130 J linked with Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC).
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Read the full text, it says these are in addition to sanctions should Russia invade further, apparently the troops roll in tonight to those recognised regions, it's in the US and EU court whether that counts as further invasion
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What are you talking about? We had years upon years declaring from Ukraine/USA/NATO/UK that there is active Russian military's already in DNR and LNR!!! We have already placed sanctions on Russia for this.
So what difference does it make even if they 'roll their tanks' according to our official stance, they have since 2015.
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Russia always denied being in there though
This time they won't deny because they're supporting recognised states and are in there under invite
We do not care they denied being there. We even sanctioned them for being there. The point still stands, this changes NOTHING per se.
But it does. Making this 'official' when you're on the brink of invading a country is a very reckless move.
It draws out some initial sanctions, and it taunts the Ukraine military into attacking the Russians.
Again, according to Ukraine/NATO/US/UK the Separatists do not exist as entity. Its all Russian army ever since 2014. This simply calls Kettle a Kettle officially.
Russia already has sanctions for invading Donbass and having its army there. Nothing has changed.
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