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Swimming rivers and faking illness to escape Ukraine’s draft

After Russia's invasion, most Ukrainian men were banned from leaving, but many are escaping abroad.
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I can't say I'm surprised, especially after the discussion in the last few posts about people being injured in drone strikes and then taking their own lives.

I'm sure if we were invaded there would be many thousands of men looking for a way out too. Frontline, trench warfare is absolutely brutal and very few make it out alive, even fewer without long-term physical or mental impairment.

I'm sure there are thousands of Russian men who do the same thing. The only difference is that they like to give their soldiers drugs like phenibut, which greatly reduces anxiety and gives a false sense of confidence.
 
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WSJ has also been taken by putinbots
Putin has reason to believe that time is on his side. At the front line, there are no indications that Russia is losing what has become a war of attrition. The Russian economy has been buffeted, but it is not in tatters.
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Putin does not feel any pressure to end the war or worry about his ability to sustain it more or less indefinitely. As winter approaches, the Russian army has mounted a limited ground offensive of its own and surely will expand missile and drone attacks on Ukrainian cities, power plants, industrial sites and other critical infrastructure.
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It's an external opinion piece, not WSJ claiming anything "factual", so effectively it's still just the same as reading what people in here have written down as an opinion i.e. something written without actual "direct" knowledge of the situation (the author isn't in Ukraine/Russia interviewing people) but instead taken from info gathered online, so despite the author's credentials being extremely high (looking at their bio) it's still just an opinion in the end of the day, and we've all got those.

PS. "Putinbots" :rolleyes:
 
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alec said:
WSJ has also been taken by putinbots
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It's a fairly balanced report on the current situation unfortunately. Russia's advantage in an attrional war cannot be overstated. A bigger industrial base, a larger population & an apathetic demographic who couldn't a toss about an illiterate provivincial bleeding out in Ukraine.
 
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diamount said:
It's a fairly balanced report on the current situation unfortunately. Russia's advantage in an attrional war cannot be overstated. A bigger industrial base, a larger population & an apathetic demographic who couldn't a toss about an illiterate provivincial bleeding out in Ukraine.
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Russia’s industrial base is dependent on western tech that’s no longer available and Russia’s population is well below most nations in IQ and physicality. Oh and they are chewing through 6-1200 troops per day.
 
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Russia’s industrial base is dependent on western tech that’s no longer available and Russia’s population is well below most nations in IQ and physicality. Oh and they are chewing through 6-1200 troops per day.
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Seems like they're just getting around Western sanctions by importing the tech through their satellite states. It's silly to think the Russians can't get technology through the black market. Russia doesn't rank particularly low on average IQ, they're higher than Ireland, Italy, and Spain for example. I can't see why they would on physicality either, they always perform well in international spots. Doubt they're losing that many troops either.
 
Roar87 said:
Seems like they're just getting around Western sanctions by importing the tech through their satellite states. It's silly to think the Russians can't get technology through the black market. Russia doesn't rank particularly low on average IQ, they're higher than Ireland, Italy, and Spain for example. I can't see why they would on physicality either, they always perform well in international spots.
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Was that before or after all Russia's brightest left the country.
Doubt they're losing that many troops either.
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Time will tell I guess. Although Stalin was pretty good at covering mass graves as well.
 
Roar87 said:
Seems like they're just getting around Western sanctions by importing the tech through their satellite states. It's silly to think the Russians can't get technology through the black market. Russia doesn't rank particularly low on average IQ, they're higher than Ireland, Italy, and Spain for example. I can't see why they would on physicality either, they always perform well in international spots. Doubt they're losing that many troops either.
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Metrics that Russia are quite happy to lie about considering they've been lying for centuries to themselves, each other and anyone else who has the time for them.

Plenty of Russian professors in Western universities... because they know Russia is ****. Also the sanctions 'failing' just goes to prove how unpatriotic Russians truly are because they know their own products are hot trash they just can't stop gorging on Western culture to help themselves.
 
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Sythe79 said:

Health in Russia - Wikipedia

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He probably means this, everyone does quick maths of how many men Russia can afford to lose, the same way they would a normal country. It's not a normal country, the general health of males there is shockingly bad.
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They are sending people to the frontlines who can barely walk, mentally disabled, etc. it is difficult to do the maths on that. I usually go by the "fit for service" figure though that will be an approximate at best.
 
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Roar87 said:
Seems like they're just getting around Western sanctions by importing the tech through their satellite states. It's silly to think the Russians can't get technology through the black market. Russia doesn't rank particularly low on average IQ, they're higher than Ireland, Italy, and Spain for example. I can't see why they would on physicality either, they always perform well in international spots. Doubt they're losing that many troops either.
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Of course you do. Seems likely you have to post in this style.
 
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Was that before or after all Russia's brightest left the country.
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I had that thought, IIRC Russia has been suffering from the smartest of it's younger people trying to leave the country because apparently being smart many of them realised that there is little future in a country where the local gangsters, corrupt politicians and oligarchs (often the same people) could basically muscle in and get control of anything you started to make money at.

From memory one of the reasons Russian manufacturing even on essential and supposedly legally mandated stuff is often pretty dire is because the actual engineers who make the stuff, and originally owned the companies have been in many cases forced into "partnerships" with people who are favoured by the local Putin favourites, who often realised they could make more money by charging the "essential Russian local production" price for stuff they really bought cheaper from Germany or similar.
IIRC as an example there was a company that was given a great contract to make Tractors in Russia (so they could make them regardless of what happened), the original manager & owner got forced into working with a local politician/business man who basically arranged for the company to import a model in kit form from abroad without country markings and sold it to the higher ups as "the new Russian model". From memory when it was "discovered" that this had been happening, the person that ended up in jail was the original manager of the plant who'd been trying to say it was happening for ages.
 
Werewolf said:
I had that thought, IIRC Russia has been suffering from the smartest of it's younger people trying to leave the country because apparently being smart many of them realised that there is little future in a country where the local gangsters, corrupt politicians and oligarchs (often the same people) could basically muscle in and get control of anything you started to make money at.

From memory one of the reasons Russian manufacturing even on essential and supposedly legally mandated stuff is often pretty dire is because the actual engineers who make the stuff, and originally owned the companies have been in many cases forced into "partnerships" with people who are favoured by the local Putin favourites, who often realised they could make more money by charging the "essential Russian local production" price for stuff they really bought cheaper from Germany or similar.
IIRC as an example there was a company that was given a great contract to make Tractors in Russia (so they could make them regardless of what happened), the original manager & owner got forced into working with a local politician/business man who basically arranged for the company to import a model in kit form from abroad without country markings and sold it to the higher ups as "the new Russian model". From memory when it was "discovered" that this had been happening, the person that ended up in jail was the original manager of the plant who'd been trying to say it was happening for ages.
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That's a common issue in Russia. Hence why when their invasion started, they suddenly discovered someone had skimmed money and installed cheap Chinese tyres on their military vehicles and a whole bunch of them failed while operation


No one is completely immune from this though, but the US tries to do a good job with auditing of inventory management but it doesn't mean rules aren't t broken. It was for example discovered not that long ago that a tiny piece on the F-35 jet had been imported from China when the contract with the Pentagon specifically forbid that any parts on that plane may be sourced or manufactured outside the USA
 
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The Russian newspaper called Moscow Times, which moved its headquarters out of Russia when the war started so it could report on facts without reprisal from the Kremlin, has now been listed as a foreign agent by the Kremlin

www.rferl.org

The Moscow Times, Noted For Its English Coverage Of Russia, Is Declared 'Foreign Agent'

The Russian Justice Ministry on November 17 added The Moscow Times, an online newspaper popular among Russia's expatriate community, to its list of “foreign agents.”
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Unfortunately local media in Russia still can't report on anything not approved by the Kremlin.

Lets say for example today Russia lost 30 tanks in a failed push, but in its daily war update the Kremlin makes no mentioned of their failed offensive, then if any media in Russia report that story of the lost tanks they can be fined and thrown in jail because any story that doesn't corroborate the Kremlin's own story is considered discrediting the military and earns jail time and fines. It doesn't matter if the media provided 20 different videos of the event and 10 witness accounts, all of it is labelled fake news unless it was reported first by the Kremlin.
 
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