Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I was going to write a more serious reply..
but... Russia had their shot and they missed, should have had the good graces to withdraw and save a lot of lives. The only person to blame for all this death and misery is Putin.
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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. There was just a long pause before they went hard again.
You mentioned Russia being invaded not me
I just clarified your "numerous times" as being 3 in the last millennium.
Russia was invaded, so they have security concerns and wish to maintain neutral/friendly states between them and what they consider their largest geopolitical opponent (NATO). It doesn't matter that they have invaded people in the past, it matters that Russia shares vast land borders with unfriendly nations and is fairly vulnerable; even if realistically none of us have any intention of ever doing that. Putin doesn't care how many times Russia has been the aggressor, it's not relevant pragmatically, he cares about the security concerns of his country.
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This is so warped it's almost impressive.
What's Russia vulnerable to, militarily, esp from Nato? With a whole bunch of nukes (which they didn't have last time they were invaded..)
Would have thought they're more vulnerable to sanctions than any kind of military offensive against them.
And by all accounts the sanctions are hurting.
This is a good question, logically they aren't in my eyes. How ever, it doesn't matter if me and you look at Russia and wonder why they feel vulnerable, it only matters that they feel vulnerable. It's kind of like telling a stray dog you aren't going to hurt it and offering it food, if the dog feels scared then it's still going to bite your hand off. Russia is willing to endure sanctions for what it considers legitimate security concerns. I think if the UK felt our security were under threat, we'd do whatever we felt necessary to feel safe.
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Hang on weren't you telling us a few months ago that Putin didn't want the whole country? So did he or didn't he?
Wow. You want the man who tried to stay in power even though he knew he'd lost the election and would have used any means to remain in power, he was only thwarted as a few good people held the line. You want the Western world to have someone who doesn't believe in democracy, admires and envies autocrats and dictators as its leader. And you can't wait for him to throw Ukraine under the bus, to reward Putin for his invasion and teach him the lesson that invading neighbours gets you what you want as the West is weak and no longer wants to lead the world. Putin gets everything he wanted, Ukraine loses, Europe loses, Africa loses as Russia controls all that farm land. China, Russia and all our enemies will be rubbing their hands together and Taiwan will know we no longer have its back. You and those like you have made us appeasers.
Which you could arguably say that's exactly what we are doing. Better support Ukraine now, than have Russia closer to your font door. If things had been different and there was no support sent to Ukraine, how much longer before Putin pushes his luck and pushes more into Europe? Ironically, Putins actions have caused 2 more countries to join Nato and has forced a serious reality check for the rest of Europe for their readiness to deal with Russia.
Cardboard planes, the mud, a requirement to keep a good stock of spare tyres made less than thirty years ago, the wet, it's own air defences, windows, it's own mercenaries, a sale at ADIDAS, tractors, it's pretty much everything at this point
You realise that in that scenario the dog gets put down for everyone else's safety right?
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You commies think Trump is going to save you?
Trump might disagree with everything Biden is currently doing, but that's because he's trying to beat him. In power, he's much more likely to want to go down in history as the President that finished off Russia for good.
You commies think Trump is going to save you?
Trump might disagree with everything Biden is currently doing, but that's because he's trying to beat him. In power, he's much more likely to want to go down in history as the President that finished off Russia for good.
Not Russia. Trump has already sold out Ukraine if he ever gets to power. If it was a brown country he'd be right there with the nukes given half a chance.
Apparently Putin's desperation to blame this disaster on anyone but himself has just hit maximum farse.
He's now allegedly telling people the original plan would have worked, had Stalin not annexed so much Poland into Ukraine post WW2 as that gave them too much territory to work with. That's some next level copium Vlad xD
He's now allegedly telling people the original plan would have worked, had Stalin not annexed so much Poland into Ukraine post WW2 as that gave them too much territory to work with. That's some next level copium Vlad xD
Are you sure that would be a good thing? As crazy as Trump is he will play ball when his party make him. I.E he didn't want to oppose Putin on Syria but he was told he had to so went full Donald and bent Vlad over right in front of Assad and epically violated his anus. Seriously hurt Vlads image and Assads opinion of him as a reliable partner.
Russia isn't going to our front door, no one seriously believes that. This is some bizarre Western propaganda. Russia didn't even invade Ukraine with enough troops to conquer the whole country; 190,000 men to take Ukraine isn't nearly enough, yet we think he has aspirations to invade the UK? If he plans to invade Europe, why hasn't he mobilised the 3-5 million men or so he needs to conquer Ukraine, then he could consider moving into Europe? Seriously? There's precedent for large scale land invasion of Europe, and it involves more than 300-500k troops.
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They thought they had enough troops to decapitate Ukraine.
The reason Putin hasn't done more in Ukraine is because he can't. He underestimated Ukrainian resistance and he can't magic a bigger army up overnight. He is trying though.
Russia wouldn’t invade other parts of Europe in the traditional sense… at least not immediately. They would try the same trick in Eastern Europe as they have in Ukraine. Seed unrest is areas with ethnically Russian populations then use that as a pretext for military intervention. One step at a time. Feeding people like you with BS so you undermined the efforts of these countries to defend themselves.
It’s an old game. Russia isn’t going to do it because they won’t be given the chance.
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So now he didn't want Ukraine because he only used 190k troops. The mental gymnastics you do are incredible.
He wanted the country and thought he would easily get it with those troops. He thought Zelensky would flee/be assassinated and the government would fall. His hubris is why he didn't use more troops, not his not wanting the whole country.
You just refuse to see that the West folding in Ukraine is a massive show of weakness and a gift to our enemies like Russia and China.
The whole of Ukraine yes, he didn't commit anywhere near enough troops to conquer and occupy the whole of Ukraine. This isn't a controversial statement.
Yes I said his intention was to knock out the government.
Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, we're not letting them join NATO, our goal was for them to join and Russia's invasion has meant they won't join because we are scared that will mean we have to commit to defending them. The West hasn't folded because we gave Ukraine some old military equipment we had laying around?
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Another weekend of Roar doing his best to derail the thread with nonsense.
Good to see nothing changes!
Good to see nothing changes!
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