That's why they do it digitally and via things like Brexit. Let the countries implode.
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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Assuming NATO turned up.
There are enough already who say we should "negotiate" with Russia (in the US and the UK)
I can imagine their voices if we were sending our equipment, but more importantly our troops to potentially be killed in say Poland.
There are enough already who say we should "negotiate" with Russia (in the US and the UK)
I can imagine their voices if we were sending our equipment, but more importantly our troops to potentially be killed in say Poland.
I think there's a feeling in the west that Russia is dumb, I'd say they're actually pretty smart and calculated. Especially when it comes to sowing the seeds of social hatred etc. They're able to poison people freely in other countries etc. Clearly good at buying UK politicians/government also.
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I really don't understand this notion that somehow Russia has anywhere near the military power to invade a NATO country, especially after the amount of losses they have racked up in Ukraine.
Do people think they have some secret NATO rivalling army hidden away in their back pocket somewhere, and the Ukraine war is just some massive elaborate ruse?? Do they have some massive hidden revenue stream/economy that can fund a military to rival the entirety of Europe and the USA?
Yes, they are a big threat due to their nuclear weapons. However any talk about how they could just go around invading NATO using conventional warfare is pure and utter folly.
Do people think they have some secret NATO rivalling army hidden away in their back pocket somewhere, and the Ukraine war is just some massive elaborate ruse?? Do they have some massive hidden revenue stream/economy that can fund a military to rival the entirety of Europe and the USA?
Yes, they are a big threat due to their nuclear weapons. However any talk about how they could just go around invading NATO using conventional warfare is pure and utter folly.
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Americans are always like that since the country's inception, they don't want to send their own troops until they are attacked first which is why they joined both world wars so late. Ironically they always end up getting attacked to try and cut off their supply chain. So when the US refuses to help fight all they are doing is delaying the inevitable
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I really don't understand this notion that somehow Russia has anywhere near the military power to invade a NATO country, especially after the amount of losses they have racked up in Ukraine.
Do people think they have some secret NATO rivalling army hidden away in their back pocket somewhere, and the Ukraine war is just some massive elaborate ruse?? Do they have some massive hidden revenue stream/economy that can fund a military to rival the entirety of Europe and the USA?
Yes, they are a big threat due to their nuclear weapons. However any talk about how they could just go around invading NATO using conventional warfare is pure and utter folly.
Russia is currently spending 30% of its GDP to fight Ukraine. For that spending it's able to supply 500k soldiers in Ukraine.
Let's assume Russia was therefore spending 100% of its GDP to fight NATO. It would therefore be able to supply 1.5 million soldiers. Thats not anywhere near enough to defeat NATO as the US alone would be able to match the 1.5 million and only spend 12% to 15% of its GDP to do so. Russia simply doesn't have the money or supplies to take on NATO
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It’s not a question of resources. It’s political will.
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If they were going to war with NATO they wouldn't be paying soldiers $2k a month like they do for the guys going to Ukraine. In that situation Putin would draft every Vlad, Boris and Ivan he can find and pay them next to nothing.
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You know what is amazing is how much kit Russia has lost in Ukraine, but everyday those stats keep increasing. If there was a major war, how long would it take for western europe to run out of equipment and ammunition, probably a week or two, a month at best?
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My girlfriends family live in the Eastern part of Latvia not far off the main road that goes from Riga all the way to Moscow and they're always a bit on edge about what could happen but I can totally see ripping up the railways across the border being something they'd do!
Going there in a couple of weeks time for Christmas
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It absolutely is a question of resources. NATO's air force and navy would cripple Russia and it's army very quickly.
Remember we are talking about Russia attempting to invade a NATO country. NATO troops would largely never have to step foot on Russian soil in this scenario.
Just look how hard they have found it to even break into a few areas of eastern Ukraine and hold them and the amount of losses they have taken. That is without facing the largest, strongest and most technically advanced air force in the world....
All the political will and conscripts in the world are not going to help.
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Sure. The resources are there. But as we’re seeing now, all you need to do is pay off a few US congressmen and some minor NATO member in Europe and the whole machine grinds to a halt.
Let’s be be honest, it’s beyond reasonable doubt now that the western political system is being heavily manipulated.
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Or maybe rather than blaming the boogeyman Russia/china/US.....some places actually take responsibility for their own actions? If things were not so ****** brexit wouldn't have happened. Turns out people voted when given a chance to at least protest huge immigration without limits...
Russian losses: source Ukraine haha.
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In other news Zelensky throws a tantrum and refuses to perform his usual t-shirt act over delay in not receiving another 100,000,000,000 USD.
Nope - Brexit was outlined in Russia's playbook in 1997, way before the vote actually took place. Brexit architect Cummings also spent a lot of time in Russia and has Russian "billionaire friends".
I chuckle at the immigration point. We have record levels of immigration POST Brexit.
You live in Switzerland? Typical.
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Part of the reason things like Brexit happened are huge propaganda campaigns funded by the likes of Russia as the person you replied to alluded too. It’s not all direct conflict.
Russia and China are very good at manipulating online media to create the paranoia and conspiracy surrounding large groups of people like maga Q anon types etc etc.
It’s just objectively true.
Nothing is objectively true in the world of the herpderp. Post-truth. Fake news etc.
Absolutely. They know that NATO is too powerful military wise..any war results in everyone dying or them losing.
Dividing the west up with misinformation etc is the one effective thing they can do though. I mean, they've done an absolute number on the USA especially. They've succeeded in getting almost half the country to go completely nuts, and devoted to an objectively awful con man who is MORE friendly with Russia than the rest of the western alliance.
Will of the people bro.
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