Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Putin confirmed that Russia recognises Donetsk and Luzhanks constitutions, which define their territory as then full oblast within Ukrainian Republic. In simple terms, Russia formally recognises Donetsk and Luzanks boarders that are larger than de facto separatist control.
 
Putin states that Russia has recognized the separatist's claim to the whole Donbass and should pledge neutrality and abandon its wishes to join NATO
 
Rilot said:
This isn't good. Looks like they are defining the borders of the breakaway regions as the entire region, not just the currently held areas.
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It's in Russia's interest to fuel an ongoing border dispute, that minimises any chance that Ukraine can join NATO, at least not without formally ceding territory. Which is what, on one level, this is all about.
 
Surprisingly quiet near me (I can hear the Mildenhall takeoffs unless very windy in the wrong direction, and landings often fly pretty close overhead)

But all my neighbours that are US service are not around. Been quiet for a few days previously as well.
Normally they are all arriving home around now.
 
Some snippets from Vlad via RIA.RU
  • Putin: the best solution to the issue would be for the current Kiev authorities themselves to refuse to join NATO and adhere to neutrality
  • Putin: even the appearance of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine is a strategic threat for Russia
  • Putin: I did not say that our troops will go to Donbass right now
  • Putin: Russia offered to solve the problem of Donbass through peaceful negotiations and the implementation of the Minsk agreements, but this item has lost its relevance
  • Putin: we expect that all disputes on the border of the DPR and LPR will be resolved through negotiations, now this is impossible, but in the future it will work out
  • Putin to the question about the use of Russian armed forces in the Donbass: if necessary, we will fulfill our obligations
  • Putin to the question about the borders of the DPR and LPR: Russia, having recognized these republics, recognized all documents, including the constitution, where their borders are indicated
  • Putin: Europe could not force Kiev to comply with the Minsk agreements, so Russia was forced to make a decision to recognize the DNR and LNR
 
robfosters said:
But they’re already being used outside of Russia, or does this mean in the rest of Ukraine?
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I would assume, only into the sepratist held areas. In effect legitimising those areas already held by "sepratists" or just actually Russians.

The worry, and probably deliberate confusion, is whether he stops in these areas or goes for the whole of these two Oblasts. Then, whether he goes for the whole of Ukraine.

If he stops at the already held areas, I believe they should be left to sort it out themselves. If he moves into the whole of Donesk and Luhansk then cut Russia off from SWIFT and cut off NS1.

If he moves on whole of Ukraine, that should be the West red line and we put boots on the ground.

Personally, I say Putin should be allowed to have those regions and the West offer support financially and resources to move Ukrainians out of those areas. Ukraine is then allowed to seek further and stronger ties with the west. That region would effectively become the EU/Russia buffer zone or DMZ.

Or, something I read on Kyiv Post website. Russia gives back these held areas in return for promise the Ukraine never join NATO - BUT - is allowed to build a stronger relationship with the west and everyone sign up to it. So effectively everything is allowed for Ukraine except NATO.
 
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