Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Why not Russia? It was defunct and they get to use it as propaganda.
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Because after 16 months of Swedish investigation if there was Russia evidence there wouldn't be hesitation to out them.

Something is probably being covered up.
I guess "we'll never know."

And yeah occams razor, I'll suspect the guys that very strangely said oh we can do it, easy peasy..... Bit weird, bit of a senile weird thing to sow a seed about.

But still "did Germany a favour...."
Maybe it was Gretta?
That's what Sweden is covering up :p

Oh sanctions ohhh no not more sanctions, plz stop sanctioning me sanctions me some more daddy.. just sell it all to China instead., which they have.
Its physical removal from the board was genius/insanity.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Which would make sense if Russia was a rational actor, but Russia isn't.
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Sorry but that's a non existent argument. It would have to go through so many steps and risks of failure and self sabotage that even a idiot would self reflect.....when again all they had to do for leverage was flick it to the off switch.

For Russia there were only downsides.
For America there were only upsides.
For Europe it could be argued either way.

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PlacidCasual said:
@HungryHippos I was thinking more of how we ended up here strategic mistakes. Germany’s rash embrace of German gas, the wilful ignorance of Russias strategic concerns. Loads of stuff. Obama and Iran, Bush and Iraq etc. The 21st Century has been a masterclass in strategic hubris and shortsightedness. Not specifically Nord Stream, although Europes embraces of self defeating sanctions and the US’s attack on its own hegemony of global finance are pretty dumb too.
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Sure lots of issues in general but we can correct this still, and energy prices are going in the right direction. I think this has been more eye opening.
 
Orangeade said:
Sorry but that's a non existent argument. It would have to go through so many steps and risks of failure and self sabotage that even a idiot would self reflect.....when again all they had to do for leverage was flick it to the off switch.

For Russia there were only downsides.
For America there were only upsides.
For Europe it could be argued either way.

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Russia's key mode of operation is to do something, deny it, deflect and blame others in an aim to sow discontent in other nations and try and fracture political relationships.

If blowing up the pipeline achieved all the above and stopped major support for Ukraine, Russia would have won the war and the overall costs would have been significantly less.

Either way whoever has blown up the pipeline has done everyone in Europe a long-term favor.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Russia's key mode of operation is to do something, deny it, deflect and blame others in an aim to sow discontent in other nations and try and fracture political relationships.

If blowing up the pipeline achieved all the above and stopped major support for Ukraine, Russia would have won the war and the overall costs would have been significantly less.

Either way whoever has blown up the pipeline has done everyone in Europe a long-term favor.
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I'm sorry but the argument still doesn't make sense. There is a ton of other things they could have done without blowing up countless billions in architecture which took them countless hours to get the political will and sign off to do in the first place.

Why would they destroy that when they would know the response from everyone is lulz sucks to be you. In what world would it have stopped support rather than encourage it.

Per your own last comment it did Europe (well for now!) a "favour "......so exactly why would Russia have done it exactly?
 
Orangeade said:
I'm sorry but the argument still doesn't make sense. There is a ton of other things they could have done without blowing up countless billions in architecture which took them countless hours to get the political will and sign off to do in the first place.

Why would they destroy that when they would know the response from everyone is lulz sucks to be you. In what world would it have stopped support rather than encourage it.

Per your own last comment it did Europe (well for now!) a "favour "......so exactly why would Russia have done it exactly?
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I like the idea that they would need political signoff to blow it up, one man makes those sort of choices in Russia and it isn't by committee.

Your apparent must defend Russia mindset has failed to notice i'm open minded about who blew the pipeline up and i'm absolutely not willing to rule Russia out for the reasons I mention.

If a country is willing to send wave after wave of unskilled men to die for basically no gain remind me again why blowing up a pipeline would even register on the scale of "give a ****".
 
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Rising said:
BBC Fact check of Putin's "History" lesson

Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Putin's 'nonsense' history
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That was basically just not a very important or even interesting part of the interview which they've chosen to focus on. They haven't spoke about or mentioned the majority of the interview in which he spoke about controversial points that don't paint the West in a good light. They've also now buried the story on the front page despite the fact it has 100m impressions on Twitter in less than 24 hours. I'm so glad I cancelled my TV license.
 
So the end result of this interview is, that all the people that think we should help Ukraine, still think we should help Ukraine and the people that think we should not, still don't. Thank god we cleared that up.

Best thing about it is that it brought Ukraine back to the top of the new pile.
 
Roar87 said:
That was basically just not a very important or even interesting part of the interview which they've chosen to focus on. They haven't spoke about or mentioned the majority of the interview in which he spoke about controversial points that don't paint the West in a good light. They've also now buried the story on the front page despite the fact it has 100m impressions on Twitter in less than 24 hours. I'm so glad I cancelled my TV license.
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Buried the story?
Its been on the front page all day.
You don't arf talk some drivel at times in your CT world
 
Roar87 said:
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Biden says he'll shut down Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia further invades Ukraine

#shorts #UkraineRussia #NordStream2Pipeline #BidenPresident Biden says he plans to shut down the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in Germany if President Putin and Rus...
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It was US the Navy.
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Vladolf said it was the one armed man! But seriously it was the Russians.
Roar87 said:
Boris Johnson scuppering the deal wasn't mentioned a single time in the BBC article that was linked.
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Because it never happened.
 
Definitely still on the front page for me.

Would be nice to see someone really break down the main part of the interview though - Putin acts wounded about a lot of things but surrounds them with just enough distortion of the truth it is difficult to really break down without a thorough background in foreign affairs, but there are large omissions of the other side of the story and where relevant how Russia was actually the instigator and they didn't just get a raw deal due to the West alone, etc. etc.
 
Efour said:
Because after 16 months of Swedish investigation if there was Russia evidence there wouldn't be hesitation to out them.

Something is probably being covered up.
I guess "we'll never know."

And yeah occams razor, I'll suspect the guys that very strangely said oh we can do it, easy peasy..... Bit weird, bit of a senile weird thing to sow a seed about.

But still "did Germany a favour...."
Maybe it was Gretta?
That's what Sweden is covering up :p

Oh sanctions ohhh no not more sanctions, plz stop sanctioning me sanctions me some more daddy.. just sell it all to China instead., which they have.
Its physical removal from the board was genius/insanity.
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So Sweden are burying their evidence is what you are saying.

Trump said stuff like that all the time, in fact Trump told Germany not to rely on Russian gas, IIRC he mentioned sanctions. Why you think this automatically means it was them, the US president has many other levers to pull.

The rest is just silly.
 
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Roar87 said:
That was basically just not a very important or even interesting part of the interview which they've chosen to focus on. They haven't spoke about or mentioned the majority of the interview in which he spoke about controversial points that don't paint the West in a good light. They've also now buried the story on the front page despite the fact it has 100m impressions on Twitter in less than 24 hours. I'm so glad I cancelled my TV license.
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Yeah its not been front page of every news site all day has it :rolleyes:

Imagine Putin playing his propaganda that paints the West in a bad light, who could possibly have seen that coming??

Is that how we judge something being newsworthy or factual, by how many twitter impressions it gets?? God give me strength, there really is no hope for some people, Elon really does know his audience and has them eating out of his hand.
 
Hitler wasn't such a bad guy, those Jewish Poles forced Hitler to defend the German population in Poland and create living space. And then those Jewish poles became Nazis, so we had to defend the Russians in Poland, so we invaded from the East to give those dirty Poles a lesson in double penetration - Putin, 2024


 
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