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Maybe Germany and France could start by meeting their commitment to NATO defence spending, which is what Trump has asked them to do, and what they themselves ought to be doing anyway. For a country the size of Germany with their economy to have a smaller Army than the UK, an island nation with a smaller population, is an insult to the members of the alliance like the US and Poland who are meeting their agreed defence spending.
 
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Maybe Germany and France could start by meeting their commitment to NATO defence spending, which is what Trump has asked them to do, and what they themselves ought to be doing anyway. For a country the size of Germany with their economy to have a smaller Army than the UK, an island nation with a small population, is an insult to the members of the alliance like the US and Poland who are meeting their agreed defence spending.

Their armed forces are larger than the UK so its not exactly a slam dunk.
Their actual expenditure is higher than ours despite being a lower %. God knows how the UK has managed to cripple our economy so badly the last 7-8 years or so ;)

It wasn't up to Trump, but anyway it was already agreed. He just asked them to do something they already were working towards.


Funny thing is go back a few years and certain demographics would have been frothing over their newspaper if the Germans were spending almost twice as much as the UK on their military, but suddenly when Trump mentioned it the position changed. ;)
 
I watched a video on YouTube recently of a cruise ship turning around mid ocean to take a look at a life raft they'd spotted. Just watching that made me realise how difficult it is to see anything small like that at sea even with the high visibility markings on it.

No wonder these small drones are able to go unnoticed for so long.
I was reading something a while back that made the point that IIRC most of the better/regulation modern life rafts actually have to have a mylar foil sewn or glued in places to give them a radar signature that radar has a better chance of picking up, apparently early ones and some of the cheaper ones that don't meet proper modern standards don't, meaning there is effectively no radar signature as the materials they are otherwise made off don't give anything for the signal to bounce off.
 
Their armed forces are larger than the UK so its not exactly a slam dunk.
Their actual expenditure is higher than ours despite being a lower %. God knows how the UK has managed to cripple our economy so badly the last 7-8 years or so ;)

It wasn't up to Trump, but anyway it was already agreed. He just asked them to do something they already were working towards.


Funny thing is go back a few years and certain demographics would have been frothing over their newspaper if the Germans were spending almost twice as much as the UK on their military, but suddenly when Trump mentioned it the position changed. ;)

Some people literally demanded Brexit because they didn't want UK armed forces to be in any way committed to acting as part of a possible combined European defence union. "No EU Army!" etc. I wonder what threat European nations would most likely want such a coordinated force to defend against?
 
Their armed forces are larger than the UK so its not exactly a slam dunk.

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The UK Armed Forces consists of just the Army, Airforce and Navy.

Germany is including all of the following into their numbers:
German Army
German Navy
German Air Force
Joint Support Service
Joint Medical Service
Cyber and Information Domain Service

Where as we don't include GCGQ, etc in ours. They're a much larger country, their Army is only 62,800, ours is 76,000. Part of our budget as well is dedicated to maintaining our nuclear weapons, Germany doesn't even have that expenditure yet still manages to have a smaller Army than us.

Their actual expenditure is higher than ours despite being a lower %. God knows how the UK has managed to cripple our economy so badly the last 7-8 years or so ;)

Fantastic and completely irrelavant, the target is 2% of their GDP. Not "more than the UK".

It wasn't up to Trump, but anyway it was already agreed. He just asked them to do something they already were working towards.

Well, when they meet the target, at their own leisure of course, perhaps Trump will agree that to send the exceptionally well funded US military to their aid in the event of an attack.


Funny thing is go back a few years and certain demographics would have been frothing over their newspaper if the Germans were spending almost twice as much as the UK on their military, but suddenly when Trump mentioned it the position changed. ;)

Are these winky faces supposed to mean something? At no point in the past 20 years has anyone taken an issue with Germany meeting it's NATO contributions rather than letting other countries effectively subsidise them, while they buy lots of cheap Russian oil indirectly funding this war we're now all paying for.
 
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Some people literally demanded Brexit because they didn't want UK armed forces to be in any way committed to acting as part of a possible combined European defence union. "No EU Army!" etc. I wonder what threat European nations would most likely want such a coordinated force to defend against?
I know Brexit pain seems to run deep into some people's psyche. But I think you're misunderstanding the difference between not wanting to head down a path where UK forces operate under the direct command of an EU superstate, and working in combined operations with our NATO allies as we do now.
 
Some people literally demanded Brexit because they didn't want UK armed forces to be in any way committed to acting as part of a possible combined European defence union. "No EU Army!" etc. I wonder what threat European nations would most likely want such a coordinated force to defend against?

Indeed. But you got the usual drivel about EUSSR as opposed to a force somewhat like the way NATO operates which was far more logical.

Edit, see above.
 
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The UK Armed Forces consists of just the Army, Airforce and Navy.

Germany is including all of the following into their numbers:
German Army
German Navy
German Air Force
Joint Support Service
Joint Medical Service
Cyber and Information Domain Service

Where as we don't include GCGQ, etc in ours. They're a much larger country, their Army is only 62,800, ours is 76,000. Part of our budget as well is dedicated to maintaining our nuclear weapons, Germany doesn't even have that expenditure yet still manages to have a smaller Army than us.



Fantastic and completely irrelavant, the target is 2% of their GDP. Not "more than the UK".



Well, when they meet the target, at their own leisure of course, perhaps Trump will agree that to send the exceptionally well funded US military to their aid in the event of an attack.



Are these winky faces supposed to mean something? At no point in the past 20 years has anyone taken an issue with Germany meeting it's NATO contributions rather than letting other countries effectively subsidise them, while they buy lots of cheap Russian oil indirectly funding this war we're now all paying for.

Precisely, the numbers do not equate.
You seem very certain in regards GCHQ when I have not seen a clear number listed, everyone, including MPs struggle to understand precisely whats included and not. At any level than high level categories.
Eg https://www.sipri.org/commentary/to...-military-expenditure-estimate-united-kingdom

The point of NATO is to build on each others strengths not to replicate the same structure across all nations.

Its funny I know loads of people who have stated that Germany shouldnt even be allowed a military after starting two world wars.
Typically older people who saw (like my grandparents) or indirectly saw the consequences of the war (WW2) however, (eg many at my local C&UP club.)
 
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I'll be honest, I've not been keeping up to date with it as it was depressing to follow.

If Ukraine can't last another year without a step up in support, are we talking about a situation where Putin takes the whole country or?
 
I know Brexit pain seems to run deep into some people's psyche. But I think you're misunderstanding the difference between not wanting to head down a path where UK forces operate under the direct command of an EU superstate, and working in combined operations with our NATO allies as we do now.

Thank you for so quickly demonstrating my point. 8 years on from the Brexit vote is there any proof of an army operating "under the direct command of an EU superstate"? In light of Trump's repeated threats about NATO, is continuing to rely expressly on US support such a good idea, rather than also coordinating with our NATO allies on a local basis to act as a joint deterrent and (if necessary) actually take action to defend Europe?
 
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