Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Russia seemed to have had the intention of using most of the ones they moved to the Black Sea to support landings at Odesa in a 2 or possibly 3* pronged attack, rolling off armour as per video above, disembarking troops and equipment and using them to keep the troops resupplied.
For a mixture of reasons that never came off.
* Russia seemed to briefly consider using Transnistria as a staging area but for whatever reasons didn't, possibly due to the political situation or the vulnerability of supply lines.
Soldato
Until we can develop a foolproof counter to these naval drones, I think our carriers are better off sitting in Portsmouth operating as tourist attractions.
For the purpose of this war the ship essentially was serving no purpose. It's stupid for the Russians to lose it given they should have learned of the risks to those ships by now, but it's destruction is more of a propaganda victory than anything meaningful
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My point I made earlier and a year ago and longer.....if the powers that be knows a compromise is the end result then both sides are completely and utterly morally bankrupt at all the people that now and will cease to exist.
If they fell victory was possible then thsts fair enough....but I haven't heard of many paths to this.
Definitely trusting stats for someone with a political statement in the same post.
But the Russians are pretty retarded so its possible.
joint deterrent fine and i highly support but i remember the EU wanted it under their banner which i definitely dont support.
and to my point above if negotiations end up there why do we have 100k more dead?
yes i mentioned this before and was routinely disagreed with...
yea all the wealthy escaped Ukraine at the start and heading to countries like ours offering asylum
Ukrainians driving luxury cars can hardly be viewed as refugees, Austrian lawmaker says
However, the Austrian MEP stressed that "no one has anything against" the arrival of internally displaced persons and those who are truly in need, namely "the elderly, women and the sick"tass.com
asutria but still
Poland
Affluent Ukrainian refugees boost Polish luxury businesses
Most fleeing war arrived in dire circumstances but some of the better off are helping companies weather the downturnwww.ft.com
I can't quickly find any UK stuff, but I remember at the time the journalists were talking about the lines of brand new cars in France waiting to claim asylum in the UK.
I think one of the articles in one of the news papers was some woman complaining about her Ukrainian guests who weren't poor and had expensive bags etc
Zürich and other such cities have tons of Ukrainian registered cars which are out of reach for most people here which happens to be one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. They are disproportionately high numbers of them.
I'm sure it's all above board....
Soldato
I thought these landing craft were being used to ship weapons and ammo from NK / Iran. Is there tracking info available to see where it had been recently?
Possibly, but I don’t feel the drone threat at least to the Royal Navy is that great.
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Soldato
I wouldn't put it past Iran to knock up something similar and supply them to Yemen. They were already ahead of the curve with their drone tech with the Shahed's.
I think armament transport was one of the main uses, but as Rroff said it’s really an amphibious landing ship.
Russia usually have the transponders off.
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I've only just watched the BBC clip of the Russian ship being hit and I'm kinda dumbfounded. I am not a professional sailor so have no informed opinion but those drones look super shonky and it's hard to imagine they could have hit that ship if it had been underway (moving).
You see videos like MegaPorjects on the Javellin anti tank missile and it looks like science fiction. The sea drone looks like a canoe full of explosives remote controlled up to the Russian ship. Given they have already lost ships in this way I'm confounded as to how they let it happen again because to the untrained eye it looks like a moving ship would be an untenable target.
You see videos like MegaPorjects on the Javellin anti tank missile and it looks like science fiction. The sea drone looks like a canoe full of explosives remote controlled up to the Russian ship. Given they have already lost ships in this way I'm confounded as to how they let it happen again because to the untrained eye it looks like a moving ship would be an untenable target.
From what I understand It’s pretty much a jet ski type craft packed with explosives. A jet ski is a pretty fast thing.
Those landing ships do a max speed of 17-18knots, these naval drones can do up to around 30-40knots, those landing ships take about 2-3 minutes to do a complete turn at emergency speed, these drones can do it in not much more than 3 seconds.
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You see the way it bounced in calm-ish looking waters, it wasn't speed I was thinking about it was more tracking and targettting a moving target from such a light vessel in the dark whilst it's moving. Sorry should have said that in my post.
The speed and size disparities help there - you don't really need much accuracy once it gets in close. Some of that moving about was attempting to make it a harder target for small arms fire which near the end was coming at the drones.
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"ashamed"? what do you expect the west to do? the whole world has given them ammo, arms, and vehicles over the past couple of years. Theres not really much else the west can do unless they are prepared to escalate the war into a WW3 scenario .
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Without these boats (ships?) the bridge becomes an even juicer target
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I think the non gimbled/unstablised footage makes it look a lot worse. These aint no small model boats, they are about the size of a small RHIB/larger jetski.
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The sea is big though and even a few miles for something seemingly so unsophisticated is a big deal for target aquisition. The camera is barely above the waves the horizon must be very short so even a few miles away from where you think it is might be enough to make interception difficult. Like I say I'm amazed that the Russian ship appeared to either stationary or nearly so given the proven risk.
Give them long range weapons, aircraft, more tanks.
and the West should be prepared to escalate this to WW3 - if that's what it takes to defend western values and democracy.
Iran already use a strategy of a speed boat with a pilot. It’s the advantage of having a military with devote belief in the afterlife.
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