Soldato
Ukraine have dealt some big blows to Russia in this war, whilst the battlefield currently looks bleak.
Ukraine can be immensely proud.
Ukraine can be immensely proud.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Some ships in a hot war can run electronic warfare to jam these drones - not normally done due to the interference it would create, though if advanced enough you could pilot a drone into range and then let optical feature recognition or IR homing, etc. do the final bit.
Soldato
They already committed to spending more, you can see real progress now from many nations.
The UK hovers just above the 2% but IMO I would rather a much bigger chunk was on physical conventional than vanity carriers, nuclear subs and pensions etc
Soldato
Just reading up the same ship was damaged before and put out of action for a while, looks like it might be down with the fish now.
Yep, Putin is showing Stalin levels of deplorability. Russia has been ruled by fear & ignorance for many centuries. Should be treated like NK, a rouge state. difference is, Russia has something the West, China and India need/want.
Is that the land in the back ground? I wonder if they were sticking to the coast to avoid going out to open water.
Soldato
Russia twitter going mental the ship is only damaged - meanwhile the footage shows it healing over and sinking.....
AFU need to hit the subs
AFU need to hit the subs
Also US ships don't sail alone as seems to be common for Russian ships. They sail in combined groups, which makes picking one off much harder for the enemy and much easier to defend. When Russia lost its flagship Moskva, she was sitting off the Ukranian coast all alone and it took hours for backup to arrive. The US strategy is one learned in WW2, where German subs would find it easy to destroy lone ships in the middle of nowhere but when ships grouped up and defended eachother, the Germans found it much harder to attack and 75% of German submarine crews ended up dying for it
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Russia denazify Ukraine
Ukraine denavyfy Russia
Ukraine denavyfy Russia
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Black Sea fleet successfully intercepting Ukr naval drones again.
Absolute masterful innovation on the part of Ukraine.
Absolute masterful innovation on the part of Ukraine.
It a baffling question of why they are sending ships out alone or why they continue to use them at all. That's why I was in disbelief when i heard the news, you cant put reason to any of this.
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That’s a big ship. Drones have rewritten the rules of the battlefield. You’d have a tough job to intercept a load of those in comparison very cheap drones.
Soldato
With the CR2 video above the commander says they are firing correcting themselves with drones for 3km shots onto concrete bunkers (with hesh)
Soldato
Problem with more ships is its a bigger target in effect. Your basically back to the WW2 atlantic convoys, do you send loads in one go creating a larger signature bt hopefully some escape if spotted, or send loads individually and hope many get through but accept some will for sure be spotted and most could be spotted.
Once they realised that most would be spotted they resorted to large formations with escorts. The escorts being the key with some chance to minimise losses.
Assuming you have no real way to deal with a threat as the Russians seem not to with the drones then individually is probably better.
I mean they can deal with them but not 100% reliably, they are resorting to heavy machine guns in effect.
Once they realised that most would be spotted they resorted to large formations with escorts. The escorts being the key with some chance to minimise losses.
Assuming you have no real way to deal with a threat as the Russians seem not to with the drones then individually is probably better.
I mean they can deal with them but not 100% reliably, they are resorting to heavy machine guns in effect.
I watched a video on YouTube recently of a cruise ship turning around mid ocean to take a look at a life raft they'd spotted. Just watching that made me realise how difficult it is to see anything small like that at sea even with the high visibility markings on it.
No wonder these small drones are able to go unnoticed for so long.
No wonder these small drones are able to go unnoticed for so long.
Soldato
Indeed its why the Navy protocol for a man over is to have multiple eyes looking and if spotted so many have the sole responsibility to try to keep eyes on.
Now imagine the drone is black and its night.
Even if noisy the noise is often difficult to pin point.
Commissario
Yup
Basically if it's a ship on it's own it's only got the resources on board (including the crew) to deal with everything at once, including full 360 watch and cover which is incredibly hard, especially over a longer period of time as you can't have the crew resting as normal or doing a lot of maintenance without your ability to protect yourself affected.
A group of ships working together have far more redundancy and duplication in their protective abilities as they'll be able to have overlapping watches of the same area and overlapping coverage for their protective weapon systems so something like a torpedo or a small boat lying low in the water that might be missed (both by the watch and weapons) of one boat is far more likely to be seen and be able to be engaged by another.
You also have the ability to have ships designed specifically to excel in one role such as anti sub/anti air protecting the larger ones that might have some capacity for that, but are really meant to be doing something else.
I can quite see the likes of the current ships that are used as part of the missile defence role getting new equipment or updates to improve their ability to deal with smaller targets as they're already designed to spot small, hard to detect fast moving objects such as see skimming missiles, so potentially additional fast firing small calibre weapons could be the cheap and effective way to deal with a lot of the drones rather than relying on large anti missile/anti air weapons (which you run out of fast).
I can think of a a few ways that potentially something like a frigate could possibly improve it's ability to detect incoming drones involving taking ideas from WW1 and 2 and updating them with modern tech, and do so without making the ship itself an easier target for anti radar missiles.
Soldato
The ship that was blown up was made in Gdansk, Poland.
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