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Jono8 said:
I love how the media has got bored of this now. Not even a mention of it on the BBC news front page anymore.
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they get bored easily it wasn't long ago they were outraged about syria hoping for another libya war to report in.

they got bored quick and lost interest as soon as they realised there would be no invasion and no overtime
 
Jono8 said:
I love how the media has got bored of this now. Not even a mention of it on the BBC news front page anymore.
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The word News implies that they report stuff when something is "new". Nothing much has happened today from what I've seen on twitter, so unless you'd prefer they made something up a la Russia Today I'm not sure what your problem is.
 
Jono8 said:
I love how the media has got bored of this now. Not even a mention of it on the BBC news front page anymore.
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Even worse is that the hardly appears to be any mention by western media of the shootings in Kharkiv (pro-Russia protesters were fired upon by suspected right sector members) despite it being confirmed by pro-Kiev sources.
 
The Running Man said:
Wait you mean Syria still exists and is still an issue?
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yea just like the war in libya that very rarely gets reported on even though the "rebels" still own 3 oil ports and is happily exporting oil to north korea lol

Libya Threatens To Bomb North Korean Ship If It Exports Seized Oil
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...an-ship_n_4926305.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Prime Minister Ali Zeidan appeared hours later on several television channels to warn the tanker's crew. "The tanker will be bombed if it doesn't follow orders when leaving (the port). This will be an environmental disaster," Zeidan said.
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russia should invade libya and put a pro russian puppet in power instead of this western lunatic we put there that can't even take control of whats supposed to be his country
 
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Jokester said:
And?

It doesn't change the fact that Crimea is a recognised region within Ukraine that has it's own devolved parliament. It's about as close as you can get to a country in it's own right, so why shouldn't the people living there have the right to self-determination? Being invaded by Russia doesn't really change that, but if they just annex it without actually having a proper vote then yeah bad, but otherwise it seems that democracy only "works" when it gives the west the result they want to hear.
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Whats really crazy about this whole situation is that Moscow doesn't or won't recognise what the people in Kiev/western Ukraine want just as much as the West doesn't/won't recognise that eastern Ukraine is by default russian speaking and russia-orientated.

Neither side will admit/see the de facto situation on the ground for their own, short sighted, presumably idealogical reasons.

And before anyone carps on about the legality or illegality, did that bother anyone when Iraq was invaded? The whole web of lies and deceit around WMD was simply ridiculous, and then Blair has to launch an inquiry to... completely whitewash himself and anyone connected to him, it never happened, we imagined it all.

What hypocrisy.
 
You wanted it? you got it!

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine may have to arm itself with nuclear weapons if the United States and other world powers refuse to enforce a security pact that obligates them to reverse the Moscow-backed takeover of Crimea, a member of the Ukraine parliament told USA TODAY.
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Something big happened today, Crimea has confirmed new legislation that would give Tatars increased rights and political representation in a post-Ukraine Crimea in addition to their language being considered on par with Russia/Ukranian.

This is quite big as the referendum coming back positive now looks to benefit 72.5% of the population as opposed to 60% before. As Crimea has invited OSCE observers to monitor the referendum it now looks like they could do it legitimately and still be odds on to win.
 
ubersonic said:
Something big happened today, Crimea has confirmed new legislation that would give Tatars increased rights and political representation in a post-Ukraine Crimea in addition to their language being considered on par with Russia/Ukranian.

This is quite big as the referendum coming back positive now looks to benefit 72.5% of the population as opposed to 60% before. As Crimea has invited OSCE observers to monitor the referendum it now looks like they could do it legitimately and still be odds on to win.
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Equal rights = benefits. Only in Russia.

And no, you should listen to what Tatars actually say about the issue. They consider themselves Ukrainians and would never vote for joining Russia.
 
ubersonic said:
Something big happened today, Crimea has confirmed new legislation that would give Tatars increased rights and political representation in a post-Ukraine Crimea in addition to their language being considered on par with Russia/Ukranian.

This is quite big as the referendum coming back positive now looks to benefit 72.5% of the population as opposed to 60% before. As Crimea has invited OSCE observers to monitor the referendum it now looks like they could do it legitimately and still be odds on to win.
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The problem is that in Russia and its Eurasion Union, what the law states is only a minor relevance - for the most part what the government or an oligarch decide goes. I expect the Tatars, ethnic Ukrainians and a lot of the ethnic Russians in Crimea know this and probably don't want to be a part of Russia (or a satellite state wholly dependent on Russia) and this is why Putin doesn't want a free or fair referendum on this issue.
 
It seems the "Western Propaganda" is a bit rusty as I wasn't aware of an important issue until today. Several Putin backers here mentioned a law that was voted by the Ukrainian Parliament, which restricted the use of the Russian language and claimed this could be interpreted as a threat for the Russian minority thereby justifying the intervention.

Well..

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...a-backed-american-news-network-offers-its-ow/

The Ukrainian President veto-ed the proposal right away (which he said he would do from the start) and it never turned into an actual law.
 
Zethor said:
Several Putin backers here mentioned a law that was voted by the Ukrainian Parliament, which restricted the use of the Russian language and claimed this could be interpreted as a threat for the Russian minority thereby justifying the intervention.


The Ukrainian President veto-ed the proposal right away (which he said he would do from the start) and it never turned into an actual law.
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I'm certainly not a putin backer, but the proposal was not "vetoed right away", it took about 10 days for that. By that time it was already too little too late.
 
It's doing the rounds on Twitter (started by Sweden's foreign minister) that Putin has started saying the Ukraine left the USSR illegally.

If that's Putin's thinking then...............:eek:
 
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